Gary Ridgway murdered at least 45 women between 1982 and 1984 alone — a two-year period — not counting possible earlier or later victims.
Episode 671: Gary Ridgway : Redux Part I - Wrong Way Gary
Gary Ridgway's mother told him rape was less sinful than masturbation — and then scrubbed his genitals three times a week until he was 15, fusing rage and sexual arousal in a way that preceded 45+ murders.
Last Podcast On The Left
Episode 671: Gary Ridgway : Redux Part I - Wrong Way Gary
Gary Ridgway's mother told him rape was less sinful than masturbation — and then scrubbed his genitals three times a week until he was 15, fusing rage and sexual arousal in a way that preceded 45+ murders.
TL;DR
Last Podcast on the Left reopens the case of Gary Ridgway — the Green River Killer — with a far more comprehensive pass than their original episode. Hosts Marcus Parks, Henry Zebrowski, and Ed Larson trace Ridgway's earliest years: a low-IQ, bedwetting, dyslexic child raised by a domineering, sexually inappropriate mother and a disengaged father who openly discussed necrophilia [1] — Marcus Parks "From age 12 to 15 or 16, Gary Ridgway's mother dragged him from bed at least three times a week — sometimes nightly — to scrub his genitals…" 39:00 . The episode covers his fire-starting, animal cruelty, his first stabbing of a six-year-old [2] — Marcus Parks "In 1965, a 16-year-old Gary Ridgway lured a 6-year-old boy dressed as a cowboy into the woods under the pretense of building a fort, then s…" 55:22 , and his marriages — building the psychological portrait of how at least 45 murders were possible [3] — Marcus Parks "45+ murders in 2 years: Gary Ridgway murdered at least 45 women between 1982 and 1984 alone — just a two-year window — not counting possibl…" 06:30 .
The Last Podcast on the Left reopens the case of Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer, tracing his childhood abuse, early warning signs, religious hypocrisy, and mounting rage before his Pacific Northwest reign of terror.
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The episode kicks off with a sponsor read for Southern New Hampshire University before the trio launches into their signature opening banter. Marcus Parks, Henry Zebrowski, and Ed Larson introduce themselves by attempting to 'get into Gary Ridgway's headspace' — Henry by putting a plastic bag over his head to kill brain cells, Ed by badly painting a truck. The hosts riff on Ridgway's appearance (likened to a South Park character and a shop teacher), his beady eyes, and his infamous catchphrase about killing women. The tone is deliberately absurdist, but it immediately signals the episode's subject and the hosts' darkly comic approach to one of America's most prolific serial killers.
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Marcus Parks explains that the original Ridgway episode was produced under impossible conditions — six podcasts a week, researching off Wikipedia, little sleep. The new material, including recently surfaced information, reveals a far more complicated man than the simple 'Missionary Killer' they'd previously described. Marcus frames the scale: at least 45 confirmed murders between 1982 and 1984 alone, not counting earlier or later possible victims, putting Ridgway behind only Samuel Little in American history. [1] — Marcus Parks "Gary Ridgway murdered at least 45 women in two years — a body count that rivals America's worst killers. The original episode painted him a…" 05:45 He also explains the geographic logic of Ridgway's crimes — the SeaTac corridor before it was a city, surrounded by wilderness, populated by sex workers on two-lane roads, with body disposal sites in every direction. The hosts discuss why the Green River case was heading toward unsolved status, like the Zodiac or Jack the Ripper, before DNA evidence changed everything.
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Ed Larson suggests DNA testing is the main reason serial killers seem to have disappeared, and Marcus agrees it's part of the answer — but only part. Henry proposes that attention-seeking behaviors have shifted toward mass shootings, which offer instant visibility without the operational complexity of serial killing. Marcus adds that social media now flags disappearances faster, and that kids no longer run away or hang around train yards — the lost, vulnerable population serial killers preyed on is harder to access. The broader crime decline of the late 20th century is also noted. The conversation is a preview of the three-episode arc they're promising to explain the serial killer era fully. [1] — Marcus Parks "The hosts debate why serial killers were so prevalent in the 1970s-1990s and why they seemingly disappeared. DNA testing, social media, fas…" 13:18
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Marcus Parks briefly but specifically names the three books that power this redux: Anne Rule's 'Green River Runnin' Red' at 800 pages, Gary Ridgway: The Green River Killer by James Richman for the more graphic primary-source details, and Murderland by Caroline Fraser — released just the prior year — which Marcus calls the final word on why the 1970s, '80s, and '90s will forever be known as the era of the serial killer. The section functions as both source transparency and a thematic preview, signaling that the episode will go well beyond crime facts into cultural and psychological explanation.
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Marcus Parks introduces Gary Ridgway's family background: born February 1949 in Salt Lake City to Mary Rita and Thomas Ridgway, a struggling family who scavenged junkyards and grew their own food. Gary was the middle child, always described as slow — dyslexic, poor recall, couldn't remember his pets' names — and was routinely sat at the back of the classroom so teachers could ignore him. His younger brother Eddie received pity after Mary Rita's folk remedy (dunking him in a snowbank to break a fever) caused permanent brain damage. His older brother Greg was handsome and intelligent, leading to constant unfavorable comparisons. Gary became the family's primary target for punishment. The family moved frequently, denying Gary the ability to make friends and ensuring bullies found him everywhere. [1] — Marcus Parks "Most serial killers have one catastrophic parent. Gary Ridgway had two. His mother was domineering, sexually inappropriate, and abusive; hi…" 17:20
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Gary Ridgway's early years piled on misery: severe allergies caused constant runny noses and tear-swollen eyes, earning him the nickname 'Crybaby.' His bedwetting was chronic and severe. His father, rather than defending him against bullies, would get angry at Gary for getting beaten up. By age 8, Gary remembered being always sad and always angry. He was held back in grade school, and when he found out, he walked to the school and threw rocks through the windows — the first external expression of the rage building inside him. Marcus connects this pattern to the broader research on how anger, not violence itself, drives the fugue states later associated with his killings. The school rock-throwing incident is the first crack in the dam.
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Starting in second grade, Gary Ridgway set his own garage on fire, then began setting neighboring garages ablaze and running when he heard sirens. He also suffocated his own cat by locking it in a cooler. Marcus uses this moment to explain the McDonald Triad — the behavioral triplet of bed-wetting, fire-starting, and animal cruelty widely used as a serial killer indicator — and its actual origins: a 1963 paper by forensic psychiatrist John McDonald based on just 100 psychiatric patients who had only threatened violence, never committed it. [1] — Marcus Parks "The McDonald Triad — bed-wetting, fire-starting, animal cruelty — was never designed to predict serial killers. The 1963 paper studied only…" 31:10 The FBI's Behavioral Science Unit ran with it far beyond what McDonald intended. A 2018 re-analysis reframed the triad as a reliable indicator of childhood abuse. Marcus then discloses that he personally hit all three points as a child, using his own experience to argue that the triad describes traumatic environments, not future killers — and that Gary Ridgway's failure to seek therapy is the key divergence.
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When the Ridgway family moved to the Seattle-Tacoma area around Gary's 12th birthday, his bedwetting returned. Mary Rita responded by yanking him from bed multiple times a week — sometimes nightly — and dragging him through the house to humiliate him before throwing him into cold bathwater. She would scrub his genitals until they were raw while barely dressed herself. Gary recalled experiencing erections throughout the process, and he said his 'sexual awakening' came during his mother's furious scrubbing. [1] — Marcus Parks "From age 12 to 15 or 16, Gary Ridgway's mother dragged him from bed at least three times a week — sometimes nightly — to scrub his genitals…" 39:00 Marcus details how this repeated ritual — happening three times a week for years, from ages 12 to 15 or 16 — directly and repeatedly fused humiliation, anger, and sexual arousal in Gary's developing brain. Thomas Ridgway never intervened; he was terrified of Mary Rita and would simply stay in bed.
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Mary Rita Ridgway's religious instruction at puberty was catastrophic: she explicitly told her sons that masturbation was one of the worst possible sins — worse even than rape. [1] — Marcus Parks "Mary Rita Ridgway told her sons that masturbation was one of the worst sins imaginable — worse, in fact, than rape. Delivered right as Gary…" 46:10 Meanwhile, the family's new home was surrounded by Pacific Northwest forest, where Gary explored and became deeply familiar with the landscape he would later use to hide bodies. Gary's father Thomas was barred from attending the family's Catholic church because of a prior divorce, deepening the home's dysfunction. Gary began window-peeping on neighborhood girls, attempted to show his erection to his older brother's friends during TV sessions, and became a frotteur — using casual physical contact as a sexual outlet since he believed masturbation was forbidden. Mary Rita also told Gary how she was aroused by measuring men at her JCPenney job, while Thomas shared necrophilia stories from the mortuary. The sexual education Gary received at home was a concentrated disaster.
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With each passing year Gary's interior world became more violent. Killing birds and suffocating his cat made him feel strong — a relief valve for accumulated rage. Thomas Ridgway's graphic mortuary stories about a coworker committing necrophilia introduced the act directly into Gary's sexual fantasy life, building the belief that a corpse was a perfectly casual, emotionally uncomplicated sexual partner. But Gary's most detailed fantasies were directed at his own mother: he thought obsessively about stabbing Mary Rita in the heart, choking her, setting the house on fire with her inside, and — in what Marcus notes is a grotesque flash of 'vague creativity' — sewing up her vagina with a needle and thread. From there, Gary's fantasy life escalated to following female classmates home while maintaining a massive erection, a behavior he called 'patrolling.'
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Gary's violence finally found a human target in 1965. He approached a six-year-old boy in a wooded area near his high school, told the child there were people nearby 'who would like to kill little boys like you,' then led him into the woods, pulled a knife, and stabbed him in the torso. [1] — Marcus Parks "In 1965, a 16-year-old Gary Ridgway lured a 6-year-old boy dressed as a cowboy into the woods under the pretense of building a fort, then s…" 55:22 Gary watched blood fill the child's cowboy boots and laughed. The boy survived, found bleeding by a teacher — but Gary wasn't named as the perpetrator until he confessed after his Green River arrest 36 years later. Before that incident, however, Gary may have committed his first actual murder: he recalled drowning a boy in a lake near Seattle, wrapping his legs around the child's neck underwater. Public records show two boys did drown in that lake that same year. The hosts note this aligns with a pattern seen in other serial killers of starting with victims of opportunity before developing their adult signature.
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By the end of high school Gary had been held back twice, graduating in 1970 at age 20, barely able to read or write. He joined the Navy rather than risk being drafted into the Army — a calculation the hosts note shows a baseline of self-preservation intelligence. His high school girlfriend Claudia Craig agreed to marry him before he left. In the Philippines, assigned to the USS Vancouver, Gary encountered a world of sex workers who introduced him to sexual practices far beyond the missionary position. He contracted gonorrhea twice. Something happened there — Gary refused ever to specify what — that he said he probably should have gotten counseling for. He also developed a lifelong fetish for the insertion of foreign objects, sparked by Filipino sex workers impressing sailors with pre-inserted beer bottles. When he returned home, Claudia had also been unfaithful; he branded her a whore and the marriage dissolved in under a year.
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Gary got a job at Kenworth Trucking as a vehicle detailer, eventually mastering the work but earning the nickname 'Wrong Way Gary' for the volume of trucks he had to repaint after using the wrong materials. He hated the name. His approach to female coworkers — uninvited shoulder massages in 1972 — was shrugged off as over-friendliness. He met his second wife Marsha Winslow by pulling up closely behind her car on the Lake Washington scenic loop, passing himself off as a police officer, then charming her with his clean-cut military appearance. [1] — Marcus Parks "Gary Ridgway's coworkers at Kenworth Trucking called him 'Wrong Way' because he constantly repainted entire trucks after using the wrong co…" 1:08:37 Their sex life escalated: he insisted on anal sex, introduced bondage with bathrobe belts, and became obsessed with outdoor sex — eventually having sex in many of the same wooded locations where he'd later hide murder victims. On hikes, he began practicing total silence, disappearing into the forest until Marsha was panicked, then jumping out behind her — honing the same skills he'd eventually use to approach victims.
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The birth of Gary's son Matthew in 1975 triggered an intense religious turn. Marsha described Gary as almost fanatical — reading the Bible at home and at work, weeping during services, clutching scripture while watching TV, and aggressively trying to convert neighbors. His primary church was Pentecostal, and the pastor's teachings amplified his already severe misogyny: disobedient wives couldn't enter heaven; women wearing red or with short hair were committing serious sins.[1] Gary's mother Mary Rita simultaneously became more domineering after a promotion at JCPenney, retaining control over Gary's bank accounts and crashing the marriage with her presence. When Marsha got gastric bypass surgery, lost weight, and launched a singing career, Gary accused her of infidelity — projection, since he'd never stopped seeing sex workers throughout both marriages. The gap between Gary's religious performance and his actual behavior widened dangerously.
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Coming home drunk from a party, Gary choked Marsha from behind in the driveway, then tried to dodge around the car pretending to be shocked. Marsha knew immediately it was Gary. He later admitted to investigators the choking had majorly turned him on — and his own words, as quoted in the episode, are unambiguous: he wanted to have sex with a prostitute and kill her during it. [1] — Marcus Parks "Gary Ridgway speculated that if he'd killed his wife Marsha in 1980, he'd only have one murder on his conscience. The reason he didn't? He …" 1:23:53 Marsha filed for divorce in 1980; she staged the moving van ambush while he was out for breakfast. Gary was devastated — he wanted to be a normal family man. He was also furious about child support. A forensic psychiatrist later asked Gary why he targeted sex workers; Gary said women had hurt him, specifically his two ex-wives. He even speculated that if he'd killed Marsha, he'd only have one murder on his conscience. The fact that he didn't — because he knew he'd be the prime suspect — is presented as proof his killings were always a choice.
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After Marsha left, Gary was briefly arrested for choking a sex worker — but simply told police she bit his penis during oral sex, and the charge was dropped with no further investigation. The hosts are blunt about how this reflects law enforcement's attitude toward sex workers as victims. Gary then joined a support group called Parents Without Partners, where he met women he didn't have to pay. He dated Darla, an exhibitionist who shared his enthusiasm for outdoor sex and experimental kink. Gary reawakened his insertion fetish during this relationship. But something was building: on Christmas Eve 1981, Gary broke down and told a girlfriend he had nearly killed a woman recently. Two months later, in February 1982, he told another girlfriend he had 'done something' and told her to watch the news. [1] — Marcus Parks "Gary Ridgway's wife Marsha noticed he increasingly came home late, wet, and covered in dirt with no explanation beyond a broken-down car. H…" 1:28:15 No murders appeared in the press — though Gary vaguely recalled killing a woman and leaving her body near Highway 18. He was two months from his first official Green River victim.
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Marcus, Henry, and Ed close out with a round of housekeeping: Patreon ad-free access, the Last Stream on the Left every Tuesday at 5 PM PST, YouTube content including HGX2 and Nerd of Mouth 2, and a tease for Bloodbath 77. Ed details his upcoming solo tour dates: Tulsa and Oklahoma City on July 17-18, with a livestream from the Oklahoma City final show, then Plano, Texas on July 19. He also announces tri-state area shows in Bethlehem PA, Newark NJ, and New York City the weekend of July 10-13. A cross-promo for Morbid Podcast follows, along with an Angie home services ad. The episode ends with Henry and Ed saluting Ed's new cousin-by-marriage Melody — who got married in a forest uncomfortably close to where Gary Ridgway disposed of his victims.
- McDonald Triad
- A behavioral framework from a 1963 forensic psychiatry paper linking bed-wetting, fire-starting, and animal cruelty in children to future violent behavior; later adopted by the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit but since criticized as a predictor of childhood abuse rather than serial killing.
- BSU (Behavioral Science Unit)
- The FBI's Behavioral Science Unit, responsible for developing criminal profiling techniques in the 1970s and '80s; instrumental in popularizing the McDonald Triad and the concept of the 'serial killer' as a distinct category.
- Frotteur / frotteurism
- A paraphilia involving rubbing against or brushing a non-consenting person for sexual gratification, often in crowded spaces to disguise the act as accidental.
- Necrophilia
- Sexual activity with a corpse. In Gary Ridgway's case, it became a fantasy first introduced by his father's mortuary stories, and a behavior he later acted upon with his murder victims.
- Visqueen
- A heavy-duty protective plastic sheeting material used in construction and painting prep; Gary Ridgway kept rolls of it in his truck and it was found covering some of his victims' bodies.
- Frotteur
- A person who practices frotteurism; the term derives from the French 'frotter' (to rub). Gary Ridgway became one after his mother taught him masturbation was a worse sin than rape.
- Dyslexic
- Relating to dyslexia, a learning difficulty that primarily affects reading and writing fluency; Gary Ridgway was dyslexic, contributing to his being held back twice in school.
- Fugue state
- A dissociative condition in which a person loses awareness of their actions or identity, often during extreme emotional arousal; Gary Ridgway described entering such states during killings, making him uncertain which acts were real and which were fantasies.
- Pentecostal
- A Protestant Christian tradition emphasizing charismatic worship, faith healing, and strict moral codes; Gary Ridgway's Pentecostal church reinforced his misogynistic beliefs by teaching that disobedient wives couldn't enter heaven.
- Patrolling
- Gary Ridgway's private term for following female classmates home with violent sexual fantasies — a self-validating label serial killers use to frame predatory behavior as structured activity.
- Redux
- Brought back or revived (from Latin 'reducere'). The episode uses it to signal a complete re-examination of a previously covered case with new research and sources.
- Zeitgeist
- The defining spirit or mood of a particular period in history; used here to describe how the McDonald Triad entered mainstream cultural consciousness via the FBI and true crime media.
- Annals
- A historical record or chronicle, especially of events arranged in order; used by Marcus Parks in the phrase 'annals of true crime history' to mean the documented canon of the genre.
- Dullard
- A slow-witted or stupid person; the hosts used it to describe how they previously mischaracterized Ridgway as merely low-intelligence rather than psychologically complex.
- Honorable discharge
- A formal separation from military service reflecting satisfactory conduct and performance; Gary Ridgway received one after 23 months in the Navy despite his escalating psychological problems.
Chapter 2 · 03:05
Why This Is a Redux: The Case for a Second Look
Marcus Parks explains that the original Ridgway episode was produced under impossible conditions — six podcasts a week, researching off Wikipedia, little sleep. The new material, including recently surfaced information, reveals a far more complicated man than the simple 'Missionary Killer' they'd previously described. Marcus frames the scale: at least 45 confirmed murders between 1982 and 1984 alone, not counting earlier or later possible victims, putting Ridgway behind only Samuel Little in American history. [1] — Marcus Parks "Gary Ridgway murdered at least 45 women in two years — a body count that rivals America's worst killers. The original episode painted him a…" 05:45 He also explains the geographic logic of Ridgway's crimes — the SeaTac corridor before it was a city, surrounded by wilderness, populated by sex workers on two-lane roads, with body disposal sites in every direction. The hosts discuss why the Green River case was heading toward unsolved status, like the Zodiac or Jack the Ripper, before DNA evidence changed everything.
Claims made here
Samuel Little is considered America's most prolific serial killer by body count, surpassing Gary Ridgway by a significant margin.
Gary Ridgway murdered at least 45 women in two years — a body count that rivals America's worst killers. The original episode painted him as a simple, low-IQ grudge-holder; the reality is far darker and more complicated, involving necrophilia, attempted correspondence with police, and a psychology shaped by layers of abuse.
Gary Ridgway murdered at least 45 women between 1982 and 1984 alone — just a two-year window — not counting possible earlier or later kills.
Before SeaTac incorporated as a city, the corridor between Seattle and Tacoma was a sex work hub on two-lane highways surrounded by dense wilderness — giving Ridgway infinite disposal sites and virtually invisible victims. Had he buried his victims instead of leaving them in the open, the world might never have known a serial killer existed.
During Ridgway's most active period, approximately four to six other serial killers were simultaneously operating in the same Pacific Northwest region.
Gary Ridgway had an IQ of 82, was dyslexic, had poor recall, and was routinely ignored in the back of the classroom — yet evaded police for decades.
Chapter 3 · 10:40
The Decline of Serial Killing: DNA, Social Media, and Mass Shootings
Ed Larson suggests DNA testing is the main reason serial killers seem to have disappeared, and Marcus agrees it's part of the answer — but only part. Henry proposes that attention-seeking behaviors have shifted toward mass shootings, which offer instant visibility without the operational complexity of serial killing. Marcus adds that social media now flags disappearances faster, and that kids no longer run away or hang around train yards — the lost, vulnerable population serial killers preyed on is harder to access. The broader crime decline of the late 20th century is also noted. The conversation is a preview of the three-episode arc they're promising to explain the serial killer era fully. [1] — Marcus Parks "The hosts debate why serial killers were so prevalent in the 1970s-1990s and why they seemingly disappeared. DNA testing, social media, fas…" 13:18
Despite his violent pathology and social dysfunction, Gary Ridgway was married three times and was never without a girlfriend or wife.
The hosts debate why serial killers were so prevalent in the 1970s-1990s and why they seemingly disappeared. DNA testing, social media, faster missing-persons reporting, and the shift toward mass public shootings all factor in — but the hosts hint the full explanation will take three episodes and goes deeper than leaded gasoline theories.
Chapter 4 · 16:10
Sources and Context: The Research Behind the Redux
Marcus Parks briefly but specifically names the three books that power this redux: Anne Rule's 'Green River Runnin' Red' at 800 pages, Gary Ridgway: The Green River Killer by James Richman for the more graphic primary-source details, and Murderland by Caroline Fraser — released just the prior year — which Marcus calls the final word on why the 1970s, '80s, and '90s will forever be known as the era of the serial killer. The section functions as both source transparency and a thematic preview, signaling that the episode will go well beyond crime facts into cultural and psychological explanation.
Claims made here
Anne Rule's 'Green River Runnin' Red' is approximately 800 pages long and is one of the definitive books on Gary Ridgway.
Murderland by Caroline Fraser, released in 2025, is described as the final word on why the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s became known as the era of the serial killer.
Most serial killers have one catastrophic parent. Gary Ridgway had two. His mother was domineering, sexually inappropriate, and abusive; his father was passive but freely shared graphic necrophilia stories and expressed deep hatred for sex workers. Together they loaded every chamber of the gun.
Chapter 7 · 29:20
The McDonald Triad: Fire, Animals, and What It Actually Means
Starting in second grade, Gary Ridgway set his own garage on fire, then began setting neighboring garages ablaze and running when he heard sirens. He also suffocated his own cat by locking it in a cooler. Marcus uses this moment to explain the McDonald Triad — the behavioral triplet of bed-wetting, fire-starting, and animal cruelty widely used as a serial killer indicator — and its actual origins: a 1963 paper by forensic psychiatrist John McDonald based on just 100 psychiatric patients who had only threatened violence, never committed it. [1] — Marcus Parks "The McDonald Triad — bed-wetting, fire-starting, animal cruelty — was never designed to predict serial killers. The 1963 paper studied only…" 31:10 The FBI's Behavioral Science Unit ran with it far beyond what McDonald intended. A 2018 re-analysis reframed the triad as a reliable indicator of childhood abuse. Marcus then discloses that he personally hit all three points as a child, using his own experience to argue that the triad describes traumatic environments, not future killers — and that Gary Ridgway's failure to seek therapy is the key divergence.
Claims made here
The McDonald Triad was based on a 1963 paper by forensic psychiatrist John McDonald studying only 100 psychiatric patients, none of whom had actually committed violence — they had only threatened it.
In 2018, authors Charlotte Parfitt and Emma Aileen re-examined the McDonald Triad and found it is not a predictor of serial killing or violent behavior, but is a strong indicator of childhood abuse.
The McDonald Triad — bed-wetting, fire-starting, animal cruelty — was never designed to predict serial killers. The 1963 paper studied only 100 psychiatric patients who had threatened, not committed, violence. A 2018 re-analysis found the triad is actually a reliable indicator of severe childhood abuse, which is why Marcus Parks himself hit every point.
The 1963 McDonald Triad paper was based on just 100 psychiatric patients — none of whom had actually committed violence; they had only threatened it.
In 2018, authors Charlotte Parfitt and Emma Aileen re-examined the McDonald Triad and found it is not a predictor of serial killing but is a strong indicator of childhood abuse.
Chapter 8 · 38:20
The Bathtub Ritual: How Gary's Sexuality and Rage Were Fused
When the Ridgway family moved to the Seattle-Tacoma area around Gary's 12th birthday, his bedwetting returned. Mary Rita responded by yanking him from bed multiple times a week — sometimes nightly — and dragging him through the house to humiliate him before throwing him into cold bathwater. She would scrub his genitals until they were raw while barely dressed herself. Gary recalled experiencing erections throughout the process, and he said his 'sexual awakening' came during his mother's furious scrubbing. [1] — Marcus Parks "From age 12 to 15 or 16, Gary Ridgway's mother dragged him from bed at least three times a week — sometimes nightly — to scrub his genitals…" 39:00 Marcus details how this repeated ritual — happening three times a week for years, from ages 12 to 15 or 16 — directly and repeatedly fused humiliation, anger, and sexual arousal in Gary's developing brain. Thomas Ridgway never intervened; he was terrified of Mary Rita and would simply stay in bed.
From age 12 to 15 or 16, Gary Ridgway's mother dragged him from bed at least three times a week — sometimes nightly — to scrub his genitals in icy water while barely dressed herself. Gary experienced erections throughout the process, fusing humiliation, anger, and sexual arousal at the most formative developmental stage of his life.
Mary Rita Ridgway dragged Gary from bed at least three times a week, sometimes nightly, to bathe him — continuing from age 12 until he was 15 or 16.
Chapter 9 · 44:00
Religion, Rape, and Window Peeping: Gary's Sexual Pathology Takes Shape
Mary Rita Ridgway's religious instruction at puberty was catastrophic: she explicitly told her sons that masturbation was one of the worst possible sins — worse even than rape. [1] — Marcus Parks "Mary Rita Ridgway told her sons that masturbation was one of the worst sins imaginable — worse, in fact, than rape. Delivered right as Gary…" 46:10 Meanwhile, the family's new home was surrounded by Pacific Northwest forest, where Gary explored and became deeply familiar with the landscape he would later use to hide bodies. Gary's father Thomas was barred from attending the family's Catholic church because of a prior divorce, deepening the home's dysfunction. Gary began window-peeping on neighborhood girls, attempted to show his erection to his older brother's friends during TV sessions, and became a frotteur — using casual physical contact as a sexual outlet since he believed masturbation was forbidden. Mary Rita also told Gary how she was aroused by measuring men at her JCPenney job, while Thomas shared necrophilia stories from the mortuary. The sexual education Gary received at home was a concentrated disaster.
Mary Rita Ridgway told her sons that masturbation was one of the worst sins imaginable — worse, in fact, than rape. Delivered right as Gary entered puberty, this instruction sent him into window-peeping, frotteurism, and compulsive visits to sex workers. He could not release pressure without sinning, so he went looking for loopholes.
Mary Rita Ridgway explicitly told Gary that it was better to rape a woman than to masturbate — a message delivered right as he entered puberty.
Chapter 10 · 49:30
Killing Creatures, Fantasizing About His Mother: Gary's Interior World Darkens
With each passing year Gary's interior world became more violent. Killing birds and suffocating his cat made him feel strong — a relief valve for accumulated rage. Thomas Ridgway's graphic mortuary stories about a coworker committing necrophilia introduced the act directly into Gary's sexual fantasy life, building the belief that a corpse was a perfectly casual, emotionally uncomplicated sexual partner. But Gary's most detailed fantasies were directed at his own mother: he thought obsessively about stabbing Mary Rita in the heart, choking her, setting the house on fire with her inside, and — in what Marcus notes is a grotesque flash of 'vague creativity' — sewing up her vagina with a needle and thread. From there, Gary's fantasy life escalated to following female classmates home while maintaining a massive erection, a behavior he called 'patrolling.'
Gary's father Thomas worked at a mortuary and regularly shared graphic, unnecessary details about a coworker who committed necrophilia with female corpses — telling these stories directly to his teenage son. This is how necrophilia entered Gary Ridgway's sexual fantasies long before he had a body of his own to revisit.
Gary's father Thomas worked at a mortuary and told his teenage son graphic, detailed stories about a coworker who committed necrophilia with female corpses.
Chapter 11 · 53:45
The Little Cowboy: Gary's First Act of Violence Against a Human
Gary's violence finally found a human target in 1965. He approached a six-year-old boy in a wooded area near his high school, told the child there were people nearby 'who would like to kill little boys like you,' then led him into the woods, pulled a knife, and stabbed him in the torso. [1] — Marcus Parks "In 1965, a 16-year-old Gary Ridgway lured a 6-year-old boy dressed as a cowboy into the woods under the pretense of building a fort, then s…" 55:22 Gary watched blood fill the child's cowboy boots and laughed. The boy survived, found bleeding by a teacher — but Gary wasn't named as the perpetrator until he confessed after his Green River arrest 36 years later. Before that incident, however, Gary may have committed his first actual murder: he recalled drowning a boy in a lake near Seattle, wrapping his legs around the child's neck underwater. Public records show two boys did drown in that lake that same year. The hosts note this aligns with a pattern seen in other serial killers of starting with victims of opportunity before developing their adult signature.
Claims made here
Gary Ridgway's first confirmed violent act occurred in 1965 when he stabbed a six-year-old boy in the torso, hitting his liver, but was not identified as the perpetrator for 36 years.
Public records show two boys drowned in the same Seattle-area lake during the same year Gary Ridgway recalled drowning a boy there, suggesting he may have been responsible for at least one death.
Gary Ridgway was held back twice in school and graduated high school in 1970 at the age of 20, barely able to read or write.
In 1965, a 16-year-old Gary Ridgway lured a 6-year-old boy dressed as a cowboy into the woods under the pretense of building a fort, then stabbed him in the torso and watched blood fill the child's cowboy boots. The boy survived, but Ridgway wasn't identified as the perpetrator for 36 years — until he confessed after his Green River Killer arrest.
In 1965, Gary Ridgway lured a six-year-old boy into the woods and stabbed him in the torso, hitting his liver, laughing as blood filled the child's cowboy boots.
Gary Ridgway was held back twice and graduated high school in 1970 at the age of 20, barely able to read or write.
Chapter 12 · 1:01:40
High School, First Marriage, and the Navy
By the end of high school Gary had been held back twice, graduating in 1970 at age 20, barely able to read or write. He joined the Navy rather than risk being drafted into the Army — a calculation the hosts note shows a baseline of self-preservation intelligence. His high school girlfriend Claudia Craig agreed to marry him before he left. In the Philippines, assigned to the USS Vancouver, Gary encountered a world of sex workers who introduced him to sexual practices far beyond the missionary position. He contracted gonorrhea twice. Something happened there — Gary refused ever to specify what — that he said he probably should have gotten counseling for. He also developed a lifelong fetish for the insertion of foreign objects, sparked by Filipino sex workers impressing sailors with pre-inserted beer bottles. When he returned home, Claudia had also been unfaithful; he branded her a whore and the marriage dissolved in under a year.
Claims made here
At least seven or eight known serial killers served in the Vietnam-era military — including Gary Ridgway, David Berkowitz, Leonard Lake, and Arthur Shawcross — but none saw combat.
Gary Ridgway received an honorable discharge after 23 months in the Navy and subsequently got a job at Kenworth Trucking in the Seattle area.
At least seven or eight known serial killers served in the Vietnam-era military — including Gary Ridgway, David Berkowitz, Leonard Lake, and Arthur Shawcross — but none saw combat.
During his Navy service in the Philippines, Gary Ridgway encountered sex workers who performed acts — including removing pre-inserted objects from their bodies — that activated a lifelong insertion fetish. He also developed conflicted hatred toward the women he became dependent on for pleasure, and experienced an unspecified trauma he refused to ever discuss but acknowledged needing therapy for.
Gary Ridgway contracted gonorrhea twice during his service in the Philippines, where he was also introduced to a range of sexual practices beyond the missionary position.
Chapter 13 · 1:07:40
Wrong Way Gary: Life at Kenworth and the Second Marriage
Gary got a job at Kenworth Trucking as a vehicle detailer, eventually mastering the work but earning the nickname 'Wrong Way Gary' for the volume of trucks he had to repaint after using the wrong materials. He hated the name. His approach to female coworkers — uninvited shoulder massages in 1972 — was shrugged off as over-friendliness. He met his second wife Marsha Winslow by pulling up closely behind her car on the Lake Washington scenic loop, passing himself off as a police officer, then charming her with his clean-cut military appearance. [1] — Marcus Parks "Gary Ridgway's coworkers at Kenworth Trucking called him 'Wrong Way' because he constantly repainted entire trucks after using the wrong co…" 1:08:37 Their sex life escalated: he insisted on anal sex, introduced bondage with bathrobe belts, and became obsessed with outdoor sex — eventually having sex in many of the same wooded locations where he'd later hide murder victims. On hikes, he began practicing total silence, disappearing into the forest until Marsha was panicked, then jumping out behind her — honing the same skills he'd eventually use to approach victims.
Gary Ridgway's coworkers at Kenworth Trucking called him 'Wrong Way' because he constantly repainted entire trucks after using the wrong color or paint type. He hated the name. The pattern was consistent: Gary could learn almost anything, but he always started by making every mistake, and broke down entirely when a process changed.
Chapter 14 · 1:18:00
Matthew, Pentecostalism, and the Growing Rift with Marsha
The birth of Gary's son Matthew in 1975 triggered an intense religious turn. Marsha described Gary as almost fanatical — reading the Bible at home and at work, weeping during services, clutching scripture while watching TV, and aggressively trying to convert neighbors. His primary church was Pentecostal, and the pastor's teachings amplified his already severe misogyny: disobedient wives couldn't enter heaven; women wearing red or with short hair were committing serious sins.[1] Gary's mother Mary Rita simultaneously became more domineering after a promotion at JCPenney, retaining control over Gary's bank accounts and crashing the marriage with her presence. When Marsha got gastric bypass surgery, lost weight, and launched a singing career, Gary accused her of infidelity — projection, since he'd never stopped seeing sex workers throughout both marriages. The gap between Gary's religious performance and his actual behavior widened dangerously.
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Gary Ridgway was arrested for choking a sex worker but the charge was dropped after he claimed she had bitten his penis during oral sex — police accepted this without further investigation.
Gary Ridgway was arrested for choking a sex worker but the charge was dropped after he told police she bit his penis during oral sex — police had no further questions.
Chapter 15 · 1:23:20
The Driveway Choking: Gary Discovers What He Wants to Do
Coming home drunk from a party, Gary choked Marsha from behind in the driveway, then tried to dodge around the car pretending to be shocked. Marsha knew immediately it was Gary. He later admitted to investigators the choking had majorly turned him on — and his own words, as quoted in the episode, are unambiguous: he wanted to have sex with a prostitute and kill her during it. [1] — Marcus Parks "Gary Ridgway speculated that if he'd killed his wife Marsha in 1980, he'd only have one murder on his conscience. The reason he didn't? He …" 1:23:53 Marsha filed for divorce in 1980; she staged the moving van ambush while he was out for breakfast. Gary was devastated — he wanted to be a normal family man. He was also furious about child support. A forensic psychiatrist later asked Gary why he targeted sex workers; Gary said women had hurt him, specifically his two ex-wives. He even speculated that if he'd killed Marsha, he'd only have one murder on his conscience. The fact that he didn't — because he knew he'd be the prime suspect — is presented as proof his killings were always a choice.
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Gary Ridgway speculated that if he had killed his wife Marsha in 1980 he would have had only one murder on his conscience instead of 50-plus.
Gary Ridgway speculated that if he'd killed his wife Marsha in 1980, he'd only have one murder on his conscience. The reason he didn't? He knew he'd be the prime suspect. That calculation — dumb as he was — proves that serial killing wasn't uncontrollable compulsion for Ridgway. It was always a strategic, deliberate choice.
After a drunken argument, Gary snuck up behind his wife Marsha and choked her from behind, then pretended to be shocked when she figured it out. He later admitted the act had majorly aroused him — and directly said it was when he understood he wanted to have sex with and kill a prostitute. This was his own eureka moment, and it was catastrophic.
Gary Ridgway's wife Marsha noticed he increasingly came home late, wet, and covered in dirt with no explanation beyond a broken-down car. He also kept rolls of protective plastic called visqueen in his truck — the same material later found covering victims' bodies. She never asked.
Chapter 17 · 1:37:15
Outro, Announcements, and Network Promos
Marcus, Henry, and Ed close out with a round of housekeeping: Patreon ad-free access, the Last Stream on the Left every Tuesday at 5 PM PST, YouTube content including HGX2 and Nerd of Mouth 2, and a tease for Bloodbath 77. Ed details his upcoming solo tour dates: Tulsa and Oklahoma City on July 17-18, with a livestream from the Oklahoma City final show, then Plano, Texas on July 19. He also announces tri-state area shows in Bethlehem PA, Newark NJ, and New York City the weekend of July 10-13. A cross-promo for Morbid Podcast follows, along with an Angie home services ad. The episode ends with Henry and Ed saluting Ed's new cousin-by-marriage Melody — who got married in a forest uncomfortably close to where Gary Ridgway disposed of his victims.
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Gary Ridgway's Pentecostal church taught that wives who didn't obey their husbands couldn't enter heaven, and that women wearing red or having short hair were committing serious sins.
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The subject of the episode — the Green River Killer, one of America's most prolific serial killers, responsible for at least 49 confirmed murders.
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Gary Ridgway's domineering, sexually inappropriate mother whose abusive nightly rituals fused humiliation, sexuality, and rage in Gary's developing psychology.
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Gary Ridgway's second wife, who gave birth to his son Matthew and eventually left him; her account provided key details about his escalating behavior and nocturnal absences.
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Gary Ridgway's passive father, who worked at a mortuary and told Gary graphic necrophilia stories while openly expressing hatred for sex workers.
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Serial killer cited as one of multiple Vietnam-era servicemen who became killers; also compared to Ridgway in his exploitation of sex workers and his use of religion.
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Cited as America's most prolific serial killer by body count, surpassing Gary Ridgway by a significant margin.
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Mentioned as sharing notable similarities with Gary Ridgway, including early acts of violence against children and Pacific Northwest connections.
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Serial killer referenced for his visual 'tell' of blinking when discussing arousing topics, and cited as another Vietnam-era veteran-turned-serial-killer.
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Renowned true crime author; her book 'Green River Runnin' Red' is listed as a primary source for this episode.
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FBI profiler and pioneer of behavioral science; one of the agents who expanded the McDonald Triad into mainstream serial killer profiling.
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The FBI division responsible for criminal profiling; cited for popularizing the McDonald Triad far beyond its original intent.
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The Seattle-area truck manufacturing plant where Gary Ridgway worked as a vehicle detailer for decades, earning the nickname 'Wrong Way Gary.'
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Anne Rule's 800-page book on Gary Ridgway, cited as a primary source for this episode.
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Netflix series cited as a loose adaptation of the stories of FBI profilers Robert Ressler, Anne Burgess, and John Douglas.
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The Seattle-Tacoma corridor around SeaTac Airport, described as virtually tailor-made for Gary Ridgway's hunting and disposal of victims due to its wilderness and sex work activity.
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The region where Gary Ridgway lived, killed, and disposed of victims — its dense wilderness and rainy climate aided his evasion of police for decades.
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Gary Ridgway murdered at least 45 women between 1982 and 1984 alone — a two-year period — not counting possible earlier or later victims.
The McDonald Triad was based on a 1963 paper by forensic psychiatrist John McDonald studying only 100 psychiatric patients, none of whom had actually committed violence — they had only threatened it.
In 2018, authors Charlotte Parfitt and Emma Aileen re-examined the McDonald Triad and found it is not a predictor of serial killing or violent behavior, but is a strong indicator of childhood abuse.
Gary Ridgway was held back twice in school and graduated high school in 1970 at the age of 20, barely able to read or write.
At least seven or eight known serial killers served in the Vietnam-era military — including Gary Ridgway, David Berkowitz, Leonard Lake, and Arthur Shawcross — but none saw combat.
Gary Ridgway's first confirmed violent act occurred in 1965 when he stabbed a six-year-old boy in the torso, hitting his liver, but was not identified as the perpetrator for 36 years.
Public records show two boys drowned in the same Seattle-area lake during the same year Gary Ridgway recalled drowning a boy there, suggesting he may have been responsible for at least one death.
Gary Ridgway received an honorable discharge after 23 months in the Navy and subsequently got a job at Kenworth Trucking in the Seattle area.
Gary Ridgway was arrested for choking a sex worker but the charge was dropped after he claimed she had bitten his penis during oral sex — police accepted this without further investigation.
Gary Ridgway speculated that if he had killed his wife Marsha in 1980 he would have had only one murder on his conscience instead of 50-plus.
Anne Rule's 'Green River Runnin' Red' is approximately 800 pages long and is one of the definitive books on Gary Ridgway.
Murderland by Caroline Fraser, released in 2025, is described as the final word on why the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s became known as the era of the serial killer.
Gary Ridgway's Pentecostal church taught that wives who didn't obey their husbands couldn't enter heaven, and that women wearing red or having short hair were committing serious sins.
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