Some Interesting Curses

Some Interesting Curses

The script for "Atuk" has never been made into a movie — and John Belushi, Sam Kinison, John Candy, Chris Farley, and Phil Hartman all died after being attached to it.

Jun 23, 2026 48:19 Difficulty: Beginner Played

TL;DR

Josh and Chuck explore four lesser-known curses with their signature mix of folklore and skepticism. The Brunswick Springs curse (rooted in Abenaki sacred land) saw every resort built there burn down; the Curse of Atuk linked a never-made Hollywood script to the deaths of Belushi, Kinison, Candy, and Farley; the Billy Goat Curse haunted the Cubs for 71 years until 2016; and Jackie Chan's endorsement curse claimed dumpling companies, cola brands, and three 2025 Australian Open finalists. Curses aren't real — but the coincidences here are genuinely hard to dismiss.

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Josh and Chuck explore four lesser-known curses — Brunswick Springs, the Curse of Atuk, Tamerlane's tomb, the Billy Goat Curse, and the Jackie Chan endorsement curse — with their signature blend of folklore, skepticism, and humor.

Chapter list
  • Josh, Chuck, and producer Jerry kick things off with some self-deprecating lore of their own: a pattern of TV cancellations that followed Stuff You Should Know appearances, including shows hosted by Soledad O'Brien and Jeff Probst. Chuck draws a crucial distinction between 'canceled' and 'not renewed' — a nod to their own TV show's fate. Josh frames the episode as an anthropological look at curses, not a supernatural endorsement, and sets listener expectations: a lot of this is legend, fact-checking is tricky, and the point is the folklore itself.

  • The Abenaki, an Algonquin-speaking tribe who had called Brunswick, Vermont home for roughly 12,000 years, considered the six-spring site a place of sacred healing. During the French and Indian War, the springs reportedly cured a wounded French soldier — who later returned to exploit them for profit. That betrayal, according to legend, triggered a curse that any who tried to profit from the springs would be doomed. A resort was eventually built in the 1860s, its brochure cheekily referencing 'medicine waters from the Great Spirit' — and initially thrived before the curse seemingly caught up. In 1894, a dentist's expanded resort burned. John Hutchins rebuilt in 1929, only to watch it burn, then rebuilt again, and watched those burn in 1930 and 1931. Since then, no one has tried again — and recently the Abenaki bought the land back and transferred it to a Vermont state trust, ensuring it will never be developed.

  • The story of Atuk begins innocuously enough: a witty Canadian satirical novel gets optioned, Americanized, and passed around Hollywood for years. Then the deaths begin. John Belushi fell in love with the script in 1982 and died of a drug overdose before production could start. Sam Kinison signed on in 1988, got 8 days into filming before imploding in a lawsuit with the studio, and died in a car crash in 1992. John Candy and screenwriter Michael O'Donoghue both died in 1994, the same year they teamed up on the project. Chris Farley took it on in 1997 with his pal Phil Hartman, and both of them died within the following year. Josh and Chuck note that other killer scripts, like A Confederacy of Dunces, share some of the same names — which complicates the Atuk-specific theory, but doesn't entirely defuse the eeriness.

  • A comedic ad break in which a Carvana spokesperson touts selling a car on the platform as an easily won financial win, contrasting it with a lottery scratcher's uncertain payoff. The segment ends with the tagline 'inexplicably good offers worth bragging about.'

  • Timur the Lame — later anglicized to Tamerlane — was a 14th-century Mongol conqueror who killed an estimated 17 million people, roughly 5% of the world's population at the time. He sacked cities from Moscow to Delhi and left behind the ornate Timurid architectural style in Samarkand. His tomb sat undisturbed for 500 years until Stalin, in a display of imperial flex, ordered Soviet forensic specialist Mikhail Gerasimov to exhume the body. Two days later, on June 22, 1941, Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa — the largest land invasion in history, with nearly 4 million troops. Stalin reportedly had Tamerlane re-interred around the time the Battle of Stalingrad turned the war's tide. But here's the kicker: the famous inscription warning of a greater conqueror being unleashed was almost certainly invented by a Russian documentary in 2003. Soviet scholars had already transcribed every real tomb inscription — no curse was among them.

  • Game 4 of the 1945 World Series was chilly, the Cubs were playing the Tigers, and William Sianis arrived with his legally adopted goat Murphy wearing a blanket and a sign reading 'We got Detroit's goat.' The gate attendant said no. Philip Wrigley himself said no — because, simply, 'the goat stinks.' Sianis cursed the Cubs right there and then: no World Series as long as the goat wasn't welcome. They lost the Series to Detroit that year. Over the following 57 years they had only 15 winning seasons and zero World Series appearances. Decades of attempted curse-lifting saw Murphy's descendants brought to Wrigley in a white limousine in 1973 — only to be turned away again. But every one of the Cubs' four postseason appearances between 1945 and 2016 came in a year a goat descendant visited. Finally, in 2016, Sam Sianis rang the Trocani Bell worn by Murphy at the 1945 Series during the tension of extra innings in Game 7. The Cubs won.

  • Jackie Chan became a massive star in China in the 1980s and a household name in the West with Rumble in the Bronx in 1995. His enormous fame made him a natural pitchman for dozens of Chinese brands — and many of those brands met unfortunate ends. The Sannier Frozen Dumpling Company discovered staph in its products. A VCD company's CEO went to jail for fraud. An endorsed air conditioner unit exploded. Fen Wang Cola fizzled out entirely. A children's learning computer — the Subor Learning Machine — flopped. Josh and Chuck are fair-minded enough to note that Chan endorsed so many products that statistical failure is expected — but the curse narrative leaped from boardrooms to tennis courts at the 2025 Australian Open, where finalists Aryna Sabalenka, Alexander Zverev, and Jelena Ostapenko all lost their matches after meeting and shaking Chan's hand.

  • Brett writes in to connect the show's earlier Tippi Hedren episode (about Vietnamese nail salons) to a documentary called 'The Donut King.' The film profiles a Cambodian immigrant who opened a donut shop, then leveraged it as a legal mechanism to sponsor other Cambodian families fleeing the Pol Pot regime, training them to open their own shops. The man ultimately built a sprawling West Coast donut empire, helping dozens or potentially hundreds of families immigrate. Brett notes the documentary is honest about its subject's flaws, and suggests it as a Short Stuff candidate. Josh and Chuck are clearly charmed by the story.

  • The episode closes with listener mail contact details — [email protected] — and a reminder that Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, and wherever listeners get their shows. A second Carvana sponsor read plays out with the same comedic framing as the mid-episode spot, closing with 'pickup fees may apply' and the 'Guaranteed Human' iHeart podcast stamp.

Abenaki
An Algonquin-speaking Indigenous tribe native to the northeastern United States and Canada, particularly Vermont and surrounding regions, who considered Brunswick Springs sacred ground.
Operation Barbarossa
The code name for Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union beginning June 22, 1941 — the largest land invasion in history, involving nearly 4 million Axis troops.
Timurid
An architectural style associated with Timur (Tamerlane) and his dynasty, characterized by ornate tilework, vibrant colors, and grand domed structures, particularly in Samarkand, Uzbekistan.
VCD (Video Compact Disc)
An early optical disc format for storing standard-definition video on a compact disc, predating the DVD; it was widely used in Asia during the 1990s.
DVD (Digital Versatile Disc)
Commonly mistaken as 'Digital Video Disc,' the DVD is officially named 'Digital Versatile Disc,' reflecting its multiple uses beyond video storage.
development hell
Industry slang for a state in which a film or TV project is stuck in an indefinite production limbo, often for years or decades, without ever getting made.
speedball
A dangerous drug combination of a stimulant (cocaine) and a depressant (heroin), taken simultaneously; the cause of John Belushi's death in 1982.
Scourge of God
A historical epithet applied to conquerors — most famously Attila the Hun and Tamerlane — whose campaigns of destruction were so devastating they were seen as divine punishment.
oral tradition
The passing of cultural knowledge, history, and beliefs through spoken word across generations rather than written texts; central to many Indigenous cultures including the Abenaki.
turnaround
In Hollywood, when a studio drops a project and the rights revert to the original owner or become available for another studio to acquire.
itinerant preacher
A traveling minister who moves from place to place to preach rather than serving a fixed congregation; Sam Kinison's occupation before his comedy career.
foible
A minor weakness or idiosyncrasy in someone's character — a personal quirk that others must tolerate; used by Josh to mean an endearing but sometimes annoying personal habit.
forensic reconstructionist
A specialist who rebuilds the physical appearance of a person from skeletal remains, used in historical identification and criminal investigations; Mikhail Gerasimov's specialty.
Battle of Stalingrad
A brutal 1942–1943 engagement between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, considered the bloodiest urban battle in history; the USSR lost 1.1 million soldiers in this single battle.
anthropological
Relating to the study of human societies, cultures, and behavior; Josh used it to describe their approach to curses as cultural phenomena rather than supernatural facts.

Chapter 1 · 00:00

Intro: The Stuff You Should Know Curse (and Why We're Doing a Curses Episode)

Josh, Chuck, and producer Jerry kick things off with some self-deprecating lore of their own: a pattern of TV cancellations that followed Stuff You Should Know appearances, including shows hosted by Soledad O'Brien and Jeff Probst. Chuck draws a crucial distinction between 'canceled' and 'not renewed' — a nod to their own TV show's fate. Josh frames the episode as an anthropological look at curses, not a supernatural endorsement, and sets listener expectations: a lot of this is legend, fact-checking is tricky, and the point is the folklore itself.

Chapter 2 · 02:43

The Curse of Brunswick Springs: Sacred Water, Broken Promises, and Three Fires

The Abenaki, an Algonquin-speaking tribe who had called Brunswick, Vermont home for roughly 12,000 years, considered the six-spring site a place of sacred healing. During the French and Indian War, the springs reportedly cured a wounded French soldier — who later returned to exploit them for profit. That betrayal, according to legend, triggered a curse that any who tried to profit from the springs would be doomed. A resort was eventually built in the 1860s, its brochure cheekily referencing 'medicine waters from the Great Spirit' — and initially thrived before the curse seemingly caught up. In 1894, a dentist's expanded resort burned. John Hutchins rebuilt in 1929, only to watch it burn, then rebuilt again, and watched those burn in 1930 and 1931. Since then, no one has tried again — and recently the Abenaki bought the land back and transferred it to a Vermont state trust, ensuring it will never be developed.

Claims made here

Brunswick Springs in Vermont has six separate mineral springs, each with distinct minerals including magnesium, sulfur, bromide, calcium, iron, and arsenic.

Chuck no source cited

A hotel brochure from the 1860s advertising the Brunswick Springs spa referenced 'medicine waters from the Great Spirit,' appropriating Abenaki spiritual language to attract guests.

Josh The Vermonter website

The Abenaki tribe has lived in the Brunswick Springs area of Vermont for approximately 12,000 years.

Chuck no source cited

Every resort built at Brunswick Springs burned to the ground — in 1894, 1929, 1930, and 1931 — leading all developers to abandon the site.

Chuck no source cited

History
The Abenaki Get Their Sacred Springs Back

Some Interesting Curses · Jun 23, 2026 History

The Abenaki tribe eventually purchased the land around Brunswick Springs and transferred it to the state of Vermont to hold in trust. After centuries of attempted exploitation, the sacred site is now permanently protected from commercial development. The curse, effectively, won.

Chapter 3 · 08:50

The Curse of Atuk: The Script That Hollywood's Greatest Comedians Couldn't Survive

The story of Atuk begins innocuously enough: a witty Canadian satirical novel gets optioned, Americanized, and passed around Hollywood for years. Then the deaths begin. John Belushi fell in love with the script in 1982 and died of a drug overdose before production could start. Sam Kinison signed on in 1988, got 8 days into filming before imploding in a lawsuit with the studio, and died in a car crash in 1992. John Candy and screenwriter Michael O'Donoghue both died in 1994, the same year they teamed up on the project. Chris Farley took it on in 1997 with his pal Phil Hartman, and both of them died within the following year. Josh and Chuck note that other killer scripts, like A Confederacy of Dunces, share some of the same names — which complicates the Atuk-specific theory, but doesn't entirely defuse the eeriness.

Claims made here

The novel 'The Incomparable Atuk' by Mordecai Richler, published in 1963, was the basis for the cursed Hollywood script 'Atuk.'

Chuck no source cited

John Belushi died at age 33 from a drug overdose (speedball) at the Château Marmont Hotel in 1982.

Chuck no source cited

Sam Kinison began filming Atuk in 1988, got 8 days into production, and was subsequently sued by the studio before dying in a car crash in 1992 at age 38.

Chuck no source cited

John Candy died at age 43 of a heart attack, and Michael O'Donoghue died of a cerebral hemorrhage at 58 — both in the same year they were working on Atuk.

Chuck no source cited

Chris Farley and Phil Hartman both became attached to Atuk in 1997 and both died that year and the following year respectively.

Chuck no source cited

TV & Film
The Curse of Atuk: The Script That Killed Five Comedians

Some Interesting Curses · Jun 23, 2026 TV & Film

Five of comedy's biggest names — John Belushi, Sam Kinison, John Candy, Chris Farley, and Phil Hartman — all died after separately being attached to the unproduced Hollywood script 'Atuk.' The movie still hasn't been made. No other unproduced script has a body count like this.

History
The Tamerlane Curse: Digging Up a Warlord and Paying the Price

Some Interesting Curses · Jun 23, 2026 History

In 1941, Stalin ordered Soviet scientists to exhume the remains of Tamerlane — the 14th-century conqueror responsible for 17 million deaths. Two days later, Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa, the largest land invasion in history. Stalin reportedly re-entombed Tamerlane around the time the tide turned at Stalingrad.

Chapter 5 · 20:00

The Curse of Tamerlane: The Warlord Who May Have Helped Start World War II

Timur the Lame — later anglicized to Tamerlane — was a 14th-century Mongol conqueror who killed an estimated 17 million people, roughly 5% of the world's population at the time. He sacked cities from Moscow to Delhi and left behind the ornate Timurid architectural style in Samarkand. His tomb sat undisturbed for 500 years until Stalin, in a display of imperial flex, ordered Soviet forensic specialist Mikhail Gerasimov to exhume the body. Two days later, on June 22, 1941, Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa — the largest land invasion in history, with nearly 4 million troops. Stalin reportedly had Tamerlane re-interred around the time the Battle of Stalingrad turned the war's tide. But here's the kicker: the famous inscription warning of a greater conqueror being unleashed was almost certainly invented by a Russian documentary in 2003. Soviet scholars had already transcribed every real tomb inscription — no curse was among them.

Claims made here

Tamerlane is estimated to have caused the deaths of approximately 17 million people, representing about 5% of the global population at the time.

Josh no source cited

Operation Barbarossa began just two days after Soviet scientists exhumed Tamerlane's remains from his tomb in Samarkand in 1941.

Josh Hidden Compass, article by Craig Collins

The Battle of Stalingrad is considered the bloodiest urban battle in history; the USSR lost 1.1 million soldiers in that single engagement.

Josh no source cited

The alleged curse inscription on Tamerlane's tomb was not actually inscribed there — Soviet scholars transcribed all real inscriptions and found no curse. The story appears to originate from a 2003 Russian documentary.

Josh Hidden Compass, article by Craig Collins; 2003 Russian documentary

History
The Curse Was Invented in 2003 — But the Timing Is Still Eerie

Some Interesting Curses · Jun 23, 2026 History

The famous tomb inscription warning against disturbing Tamerlane was never actually there. Soviet scholars copied every inscription and published them — no curse. The story appears to trace back to a 2003 Russian documentary citing an unnamed book. But the two-day timing of Barbarossa? That part checks out.

Chapter 6 · 28:20

The Curse of the Billy Goat: Murphy, Wrigley, and 71 Years of Cubs Heartbreak

Game 4 of the 1945 World Series was chilly, the Cubs were playing the Tigers, and William Sianis arrived with his legally adopted goat Murphy wearing a blanket and a sign reading 'We got Detroit's goat.' The gate attendant said no. Philip Wrigley himself said no — because, simply, 'the goat stinks.' Sianis cursed the Cubs right there and then: no World Series as long as the goat wasn't welcome. They lost the Series to Detroit that year. Over the following 57 years they had only 15 winning seasons and zero World Series appearances. Decades of attempted curse-lifting saw Murphy's descendants brought to Wrigley in a white limousine in 1973 — only to be turned away again. But every one of the Cubs' four postseason appearances between 1945 and 2016 came in a year a goat descendant visited. Finally, in 2016, Sam Sianis rang the Trocani Bell worn by Murphy at the 1945 Series during the tension of extra innings in Game 7. The Cubs won.

Claims made here

William Sianis paid $7.20 per box seat for Game 4 of the 1945 World Series at Wrigley Field.

Chuck no source cited

The Chicago Cubs had only 15 winning seasons over 57 years following the Billy Goat Curse, with no World Series appearances until 2016.

Josh no source cited

All four of the Cubs' postseason appearances between 1945 and 2016 (1984, 1989, 1998, 2003) coincided with years when a descendant of Murphy the goat was brought to Wrigley Field.

Josh no source cited

Sports
Cubs broke curse in 2016

Some Interesting Curses · Jun 23, 2026

The Cubs won the 2016 World Series in a dramatic Game 7 extra-innings win over the Cleveland Indians, ending a 71-year championship drought attributed to the Billy Goat Curse.

Chapter 7 · 38:40

The Jackie Chan Curse: Endorsed Brands, Bankrupt Companies, and a Tennis Jinx

Jackie Chan became a massive star in China in the 1980s and a household name in the West with Rumble in the Bronx in 1995. His enormous fame made him a natural pitchman for dozens of Chinese brands — and many of those brands met unfortunate ends. The Sannier Frozen Dumpling Company discovered staph in its products. A VCD company's CEO went to jail for fraud. An endorsed air conditioner unit exploded. Fen Wang Cola fizzled out entirely. A children's learning computer — the Subor Learning Machine — flopped. Josh and Chuck are fair-minded enough to note that Chan endorsed so many products that statistical failure is expected — but the curse narrative leaped from boardrooms to tennis courts at the 2025 Australian Open, where finalists Aryna Sabalenka, Alexander Zverev, and Jelena Ostapenko all lost their matches after meeting and shaking Chan's hand.

Claims made here

DVD stands for 'Digital Versatile Disc,' not 'Digital Video Disc' as is commonly believed.

Chuck no source cited

At the 2025 Australian Open, three finalists — Aryna Sabalenka, Alexander Zverev, and Jelena Ostapenko — all lost their matches after meeting Jackie Chan.

Josh no source cited

Society & Culture
The Jackie Chan Curse: Frozen Dumplings, Fizzled Cola, and 3 Tennis Losses

Some Interesting Curses · Jun 23, 2026 Society & Culture

Jackie Chan has endorsed so many products in China that statistically, some had to fail — but the pattern is striking. A frozen dumpling company collapsed after a staph outbreak, a VCD company's CEO went to jail for fraud, an air conditioner unit exploded, and at the 2025 Australian Open, three finalists lost after shaking Chan's hand.

No indexed bits in this chapter.

Show stoppers

TV & Film
The Curse of Atuk: The Script That Killed Five Comedians

Some Interesting Curses · Jun 23, 2026 TV & Film

Five of comedy's biggest names — John Belushi, Sam Kinison, John Candy, Chris Farley, and Phil Hartman — all died after separately being attached to the unproduced Hollywood script 'Atuk.' The movie still hasn't been made. No other unproduced script has a body count like this.

History
The Tamerlane Curse: Digging Up a Warlord and Paying the Price

Some Interesting Curses · Jun 23, 2026 History

In 1941, Stalin ordered Soviet scientists to exhume the remains of Tamerlane — the 14th-century conqueror responsible for 17 million deaths. Two days later, Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa, the largest land invasion in history. Stalin reportedly re-entombed Tamerlane around the time the tide turned at Stalingrad.

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Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.

The Abenaki tribe has lived in the Brunswick Springs area of Vermont for approximately 12,000 years.

Chuck no source cited

Brunswick Springs in Vermont has six separate mineral springs, each with distinct minerals including magnesium, sulfur, bromide, calcium, iron, and arsenic.

Chuck no source cited

A hotel brochure from the 1860s advertising the Brunswick Springs spa referenced 'medicine waters from the Great Spirit,' appropriating Abenaki spiritual language to attract guests.

Josh The Vermonter website

Every resort built at Brunswick Springs burned to the ground — in 1894, 1929, 1930, and 1931 — leading all developers to abandon the site.

Chuck no source cited

The novel 'The Incomparable Atuk' by Mordecai Richler, published in 1963, was the basis for the cursed Hollywood script 'Atuk.'

Chuck no source cited

John Belushi died at age 33 from a drug overdose (speedball) at the Château Marmont Hotel in 1982.

Chuck no source cited

Sam Kinison began filming Atuk in 1988, got 8 days into production, and was subsequently sued by the studio before dying in a car crash in 1992 at age 38.

Chuck no source cited

John Candy died at age 43 of a heart attack, and Michael O'Donoghue died of a cerebral hemorrhage at 58 — both in the same year they were working on Atuk.

Chuck no source cited

Chris Farley and Phil Hartman both became attached to Atuk in 1997 and both died that year and the following year respectively.

Chuck no source cited

Tamerlane is estimated to have caused the deaths of approximately 17 million people, representing about 5% of the global population at the time.

Josh no source cited

Operation Barbarossa began just two days after Soviet scientists exhumed Tamerlane's remains from his tomb in Samarkand in 1941.

Josh Hidden Compass, article by Craig Collins

The alleged curse inscription on Tamerlane's tomb was not actually inscribed there — Soviet scholars transcribed all real inscriptions and found no curse. The story appears to originate from a 2003 Russian documentary.

Josh Hidden Compass, article by Craig Collins; 2003 Russian documentary

The Battle of Stalingrad is considered the bloodiest urban battle in history; the USSR lost 1.1 million soldiers in that single engagement.

Josh no source cited

William Sianis paid $7.20 per box seat for Game 4 of the 1945 World Series at Wrigley Field.

Chuck no source cited

The Chicago Cubs had only 15 winning seasons over 57 years following the Billy Goat Curse, with no World Series appearances until 2016.

Josh no source cited

All four of the Cubs' postseason appearances between 1945 and 2016 (1984, 1989, 1998, 2003) coincided with years when a descendant of Murphy the goat was brought to Wrigley Field.

Josh no source cited

At the 2025 Australian Open, three finalists — Aryna Sabalenka, Alexander Zverev, and Jelena Ostapenko — all lost their matches after meeting Jackie Chan.

Josh no source cited

DVD stands for 'Digital Versatile Disc,' not 'Digital Video Disc' as is commonly believed.

Chuck no source cited