The DSA grew from 6,500 members in 2012 to over 100,000 by early 2025.
Ep. 2453 - They HATE America…And Here’s Their Plan To Conquer It
A Pew poll shows 56% of Americans aged 18-29 fall into a coalition that could elect a democratic socialist president, and Ben Shapiro says Republicans are running out of time to stop it.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2453 - They HATE America…And Here’s Their Plan To Conquer It
A Pew poll shows 56% of Americans aged 18-29 fall into a coalition that could elect a democratic socialist president, and Ben Shapiro says Republicans are running out of time to stop it.
TL;DR
Ben Shapiro breaks down the Democratic Socialists of America's strategy to take over the Democratic Party — and potentially America — driven not by affordability concerns but by anti-American ideology [1] — Ben Shapiro "The DSA's primary victories aren't being driven by housing costs — they're driven by anti-American ideology that resonates with college-edu…" 01:35 . A Pew poll reveals 56% of voters aged 18–29 fall into a coalition of DSA supporters, disaffected Democrats, and tuned-out moderates [2] — Ben Shapiro "56% of 18–29 year olds in Mamdani coalition: Shapiro calculates that DSA supporters (14%), disaffected Democrats (19%), tuned-out middle (1…" 18:08 . Shapiro also covers Trump's standoff with Senate Republicans over the SAVE Act and the housing bill [3] — Ben Shapiro "The SAVE Act requires documentary proof of US citizenship to register for federal elections, photo ID for in-person voting, and in-person r…" 42:50 , NATO allies' perceived disloyalty during the Iran conflict, and a Medal of Honor recipient's story about the Battle of Kamdesh. The key takeaway: Republicans' best counterplay is capturing the "Order and Opportunity Left" before the DSA does.
Ben Shapiro analyzes the DSA's strategy to take over the Democratic Party and potentially America, discusses Trump's standoff with Senate Republicans over the SAVE Act and housing bill, and covers the Iran MOU's complications and NATO tensions.
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Ben Shapiro kicks off the episode with a sponsor segment for Blinds.com, the self-described number one online retailer of custom window treatments. He frames the pitch around the frustration of old-school home improvement experiences — waiting for appointments, sitting through sales pitches, and getting hit with enormous quotes — before positioning Blinds.com as the modern solution. The company offers everything from traditional blinds and shutters to bamboo shades and outdoor patio coverings, backed by a 100% satisfaction guarantee. Listeners are offered an exclusive $50 off any order of $500 or more using the code SHAPIRO at checkout.
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Ben Shapiro opens his main analysis with a sweeping argument: the Democratic Socialists of America are not a fringe movement riding affordability concerns — they are an ideological insurgency openly hostile to America, and their anti-Americanism is the feature, not the bug. He traces the historical arc from Barack Obama's early writings in 'Dreams from My Father,' which he argues expressed the same ideological matrix as Mamdani, through Bernie Sanders' near-victory in 2016, to the current moment where the DSA is fielding winning candidates in New York congressional primaries. The DSA's official platform, Shapiro reads aloud, calls for abolishing the Senate, replacing the executive and judiciary with Congress-subordinate bodies, defunding the Department of War, abolishing all prisons, freeing Palestine, ending sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran, granting universal amnesty, and establishing public ownership of all major corporations. Citing primary voting data, Shapiro demonstrates that DSA candidates like Chevalier win in college-educated, high-income neighborhoods while losing public housing and Hispanic precincts by 20–40 points — demolishing the working-class narrative. [1] — Ben Shapiro "The DSA's primary victories aren't being driven by housing costs — they're driven by anti-American ideology that resonates with college-edu…" 01:35
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In this chapter, Shapiro plays a series of clips from newly elected DSA candidates that lay bare the movement's real ideology. Claire Valdez calls the US a nation 'founded on genocide and mass displacement,' invokes solidarity between Puerto Rico and Palestine, and calls for abolishing TSA PreCheck and nationalizing the airline industry. Daria Elisa Chevalier, when asked on MSNBC if she's a communist, deflects with pseudo-academic language about hope, budgets as moral documents, and the politics of life — never actually denying the label. Shapiro contends that these positions are not accidents or liabilities; they are the core appeal that wins Democratic primaries among a radicalized electorate. The affordability messaging is the public-facing veneer; the anti-American ideology is what drives the base.
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Ben Shapiro pivots to a sponsor segment for ExpressVPN, framing digital privacy as a civil right in a free society. He poses a thought experiment — imagining printing out your full 30-day browsing history and pinning it to your front door — to illustrate how exposed online activity is by default. He explains that US internet providers can legally sell browsing data to third parties and can monitor traffic even in incognito mode, and that ExpressVPN solves this by encrypting activity before it reaches the provider in readable form. The offer: four extra months of ExpressVPN at $3.49 a month via expressvpn.com/ben.
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This is the analytical core of the episode. Shapiro uses Pew Research's political typology data to construct a detailed map of the Mamdani coalition. The DSA proper — the leftward progressives — represent 14% of all 18–29 year olds and 26% of young Democrats. Add the disaffected Democrats ('left-out left') at 19%, the tuned-out middle at 14% (the Joe Rogan types who don't pay close attention but will flock to anyone outside the system), and the loyal liberals at 9% (who will vote Democrat no matter what), and you get 56% of all voters under 30. [1] — Ben Shapiro "56% of 18–29 year olds in Mamdani coalition: Shapiro calculates that DSA supporters (14%), disaffected Democrats (19%), tuned-out middle (1…" 18:08 Shapiro explains the coalition-building strategy in detail: the DSA recruits the true believers, weaponizes Democratic disaffection by running inside the party to destroy it, captures the culturally engaged but politically disengaged through viral TikToks, and relies on partisans as a failsafe floor. The youth bet is that political identity formed young persists, and as this generation ages, it reshapes national politics. Zohran Mamdani, playing a clip, declares he is 'ready' to be the face of the Democratic Party — and Shapiro says he should be taken at his word.
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Shapiro delivers a sponsored read for the American Beverage Association, positioning America's beverage companies as a counterexample to the offshoring narrative dominating economic debates. While manufacturing has moved overseas in many sectors, the companies behind sodas, sparkling waters, sports drinks, and teas have continued producing in the US — employing 275,000 workers across all 50 states in manufacturing, distribution, and trucking. Shapiro frames this as a genuine contribution worth celebrating at a time when 'bringing manufacturing back' is a political rallying cry. The call to action is wedeliverforamerica.org.
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Shapiro turns the analytical lens from the coalition's voters to its leaders, and the portrait is deliberately unsparing. Zohran Mamdani, son of a Columbia professor and a documentarian, was a failed rapper before entering politics — never holding a real job. Daria Elisa Chevalier has been in school since 2008, and is currently in her 7th year of a CUNY sociology PhD. Claire Valdez studied painting and art history at the School of Art Institute Chicago, discovered politics while working a 9-to-5 at Columbia, and found the regular work schedule 'revolutionary.' The pattern, Shapiro argues, is not accidental — revolutions across history, from Lenin to Hitler, have always been led by disaffected pseudo-intellectuals who feel personally disrespected by the system and have enough free time to organize. [1] — Ben Shapiro "Shapiro profiles the DSA leadership class: Mamdani is a failed rapper whose father taught at Columbia; Chevalier has been in college or gra…" 18:50 The DSA is, in Shapiro's framing, a 'make-work machine for college-educated losers' — a credentialing pipeline from elite universities to political agitation.
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In this chapter, Shapiro presents the DSA's insider strategy through the words of its own leaders. DSA co-chair Gustavo Gordillo acknowledges running on the Democratic ballot line and caucusing with Democrats while explicitly rejecting the Democratic establishment's way of organizing. DSA member Megan Romer is even blunter: 'We're socialists, it's cool — we're not fighting for a kinder, gentler capitalism.' Meanwhile, polling data from CNN's Harry Enten shows DSA members of Congress have a net favorability of +17 points versus just +4 for mainstream Democrats — making the insurgent strategy rational even in electoral terms. [1] — Ben Shapiro "DSA net favorability +17 vs Democrats in Congress +4: CNN analyst Harry Enten's polling data shows DSA members of Congress have a net favor…" 24:50 Hakeem Jeffries, shown being booed at Democratic victory celebrations in his own district, represents the mainstream left's inability to mount a systemic defense. Speaker Johnson, looking in from the outside, says Jeffries 'cannot even hold the line in his own backyard.' New York AG Letitia James warns against 'blowing up' the party — but Shapiro notes that blowing it up is precisely the pitch.
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Shapiro zooms out from the youth-focused analysis to the full electorate, and the picture changes dramatically. The 56% figure only holds within the 18–29 demographic; across all age groups, the Mamdani coalition collapses to 39% — well short of a majority. [1] — Ben Shapiro "Order and Opportunity Left is 18% of all voters: The 'Order and Opportunity Left' — pro-capitalism, pro-law-enforcement, moderate Democrats…" 30:20 What accounts for the gap? The 'Order and Opportunity Left': 18% of all voters who are pro-law enforcement, pro-border security, and pro-capitalism with rough edges shaved off — the single biggest bloc in the entire electorate. If this group continues to reliably vote Democrat even as the party lurches left, the DSA wins. If Republicans can credibly appeal to them, Republicans win. Shapiro is explicit that this is not the 'working-class coalition' framing beloved by populists — what these voters actually want is moderation, not MAGA. Marco Rubio, in a 2020 clip, makes the broader philosophical argument: democratic socialism promises security for freedom, but you don't get your freedom back if the promise fails.
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The episode pivots to domestic legislative drama: Trump cancels the signing of the 21st Century Road to Housing Act — bipartisan legislation to reduce federal regulations, streamline environmental reviews, and expand manufactured housing financing — and says he won't sign it until Congress passes the SAVE Act. Shapiro is sympathetic to the SAVE Act's provisions (documentary citizenship proof for voter registration, photo ID requirements, in-person registration only) but brutal on the political logic. The housing bill has both good and bad elements — he criticizes the corporate investor ban on single-family home purchases as economically illiterate — but walking away from a signing ceremony that could demonstrate affordability results is, he argues, a self-inflicted wound. Trump, in a clip, dismisses the housing bill and says it's 'all about the interest rate.' Shapiro notes that rates are unlikely to fall given current inflation. Speaker Johnson offers a workaround: inserting the SAVE Act into Reconciliation 3.0.
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With NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte at the White House, Trump delivers a pointed rebuke of European allies who offered words but not action during the US-led military operation against Iran. He singles out Italy, the UK, Germany, France, and Spain — calling Spain's attitude 'a horror show' — and says he just wants loyalty in return for the 50,000 US troops stationed in Germany and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on European bases. Rutte pushes back with the 4,000–5,000 flight figure, arguing the European contribution was substantial. Shapiro sides with Trump on the loyalty critique but argues the president's broader framing — that America should have just opened the Strait of Hormuz by force, or walked away and let China and Japan deal with Iran — was actually more strategically coherent than the MOU approach. He notes, with evident frustration, that walking away would have been stronger than signing a deal Iran is already violating.
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One of the episode's sharpest foreign policy critiques targets the Trump administration's embrace of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. In clips from the Trump-Rutte meeting, Trump calls Erdoğan 'a good man' and promises him 'something that's going to make him very happy' during an upcoming visit — apparently including F-35 parts. Rutte extols Turkey's 3,000-company defense industrial base. But Shapiro catalogs Erdoğan's actual record: holding Russian S-400 air defense systems that got Turkey expelled from the F-35 program; openly supporting Hamas; publicly talking about restoring Ottoman-era influence throughout the Middle East; and maintaining close ties with Russia. The infiltration of Turkish and Qatari foreign policy preferences into American decision-making, Shapiro argues, is 'disastrous' and works at cross-purposes with genuine US strategic interests in the region.
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Shapiro turns to the Lebanon-Israel dimension of the Iran MOU, where Secretary of State Rubio's diplomacy — encouraging the Lebanese army to secure more territory from Hezbollah so Israel can withdraw — is being undermined by the vice president's parallel track of wrapping Lebanon into the Iranian appeasement portfolio. If the US is simultaneously telling Lebanon and Israel not to act against Hezbollah because it might upset Tehran, the entire Lebanese track collapses. Then the hammer falls: Shapiro plays actual IRGC Navy radio audio announcing that any vessel attempting to transit the Strait of Hormuz without IRGC permission or on unauthorized routes 'is responsible for any consequences of any danger.' Trump, in a clip, says shipping fees on the Strait would be 'unacceptable.' The MOU explicitly contemplates such fees after 60 days. Reality, Shapiro concludes, is going to force a reckoning — and the administration's current posture of denial cannot hold.
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Ben Shapiro delivers a brief Shopify sponsor read, positioning the platform as the go-to partner for entrepreneurs at every stage — from designing a website to scaling sales. He name-drops Mattel, Heinz, and Allbirds as marquee Shopify users to establish credibility, then directs new users to shopify.com/specialoffer for a $1-per-month trial period.
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Shapiro welcomes Clint Romesha, Medal of Honor recipient and PureTalk brand ambassador, for a conversation that shifts the episode's tone from political polemic to something more elemental. Romesha, characteristically humble, opens by noting that 'true heroes are those that don't come home' — deflecting to the 8 soldiers killed at Combat Outpost Keating on October 3, 2009. He sketches the battle: 300 Taliban fighters attacked at 6 a.m., breached the perimeter, and had the Americans outnumbered 8-to-1 with no safe position outside cover. [1] — Clint Romesha "In 2009 at Combat Outpost Keating in Afghanistan, Clint Romesha and roughly 52 Americans were attacked by 300 Taliban fighters in a 15-hour…" 56:40 Romesha describes leading a counterattack to push the enemy off the ammo supply points, shut the front gate, and recover fallen soldiers before the enemy could reach them — a mission he openly acknowledges could have been a 'one-way trip.' He describes the experience not as heroism but as finally doing his job, stripping away the Chuck Norris mythology he grew up with. What stands out most in his telling is the love soldiers had for each other — that, not politics, is what held the line. A 19-year-old soldier named Kopis held the entire eastern perimeter alone in a Humvee for 15 hours; he's now a guidance counselor in Cleveland.
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The conversation with Romesha shifts from the battlefield to the harder, quieter war of civilian reintegration. Romesha identifies the core challenge not as PTSD but identity: veterans go from knowing exactly who they are — and knowing their teammates' specific quirks down to what their feet smell like — to complete disconnection, often overnight. The soft skills military service builds (initiative in the absence of orders, tact across diverse groups, attention to standards) don't translate easily in civilian job markets because veterans don't know how to articulate them. America's Warrior Partnership fills that gap by connecting each veteran individually to the right existing resources — helping navigate the VA, write resumes, find proper employment — rather than reinventing the wheel. Romesha personally found purpose by starting from the bottom in North Dakota oil fields, leveraging military tools to rise from laborer to managing 8 hydro excavator trucks. The episode closes on the Deeds Not Words initiative: when a veteran needed $300 for tools to start a new job, the program stepped in. PureTalk's customer roundup has raised nearly $750,000 to fund this kind of intervention.
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Ben Shapiro closes the public portion of the episode by directing listeners to the members-only segment, where he plans to cover Larry David's commentary on the UFC event at the White House and a 'supposedly nonpartisan' Netflix documentary series about the American experiment — with questions he promises to explore. He urges non-members to sign up using code SHAPIRO for two months free on annual plans. The episode then closes with a brief montage of terror-warning clips (a terror plot thwarted in Northern Virginia, a Halloween weekend violent attack in Michigan, college campus protests) and a Mint Mobile ad offering unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month via mintmobile.com/switch.
- DSA
- Democratic Socialists of America — a far-left political organization that fields candidates inside the Democratic Party while openly advocating for Marxist-aligned socialism and worker control of the economy.
- Order and Opportunity Left
- A Pew Research typology label for the largest bloc of Democratic-leaning voters — moderates who support law enforcement, limited immigration controls, and capitalism with mild regulation, but oppose the far left.
- Left-Out Left
- Pew's term for disaffected Democratic voters who feel the party doesn't do enough and are open to outsider or insurgent candidates from the left.
- MOU
- Memorandum of Understanding — a non-binding agreement between parties; here refers to the Iran nuclear ceasefire framework negotiated by the Trump administration, which Ben Shapiro criticizes for conceding control of the Strait of Hormuz.
- IRGC
- Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps — Iran's elite military branch, designated as a terrorist organization by the US, which controls Iranian naval operations including in the Strait of Hormuz.
- Reconciliation
- A US Senate procedural process that allows budget-related legislation to pass with a simple 51-vote majority, bypassing the 60-vote filibuster threshold.
- SAVE Act
- Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act — legislation that would require documentary proof of US citizenship to register to vote in federal elections and photo ID for in-person and absentee voting.
- Real ID
- A federally mandated form of state-issued identification that meets minimum security standards; Ben Shapiro notes it can be issued to illegal immigrants in states like California, which is why the SAVE Act excludes it as valid citizenship proof.
- Raison d'être
- French phrase meaning 'reason for being' — used here by Ben Shapiro to describe Letitia James's defining political purpose as suing former President Trump.
- Proletariat
- Marxist term for the working class, particularly industrial workers; used here to highlight the irony of elite-educated DSA leaders claiming to represent working people.
- Extirpate
- To destroy completely or root out; used by Ben Shapiro to describe Israel and Lebanon's joint effort to eliminate Hezbollah's presence in southern Lebanon.
- S-400
- A Russian-made advanced surface-to-air missile defense system purchased by Turkey, which caused Turkey to be expelled from the F-35 program and is central to concerns about Turkey's loyalty to NATO.
- Omni-cause
- Ben Shapiro's term for the phenomenon where all left-wing grievances against Western civilization are channeled into support for Palestinian statehood, treating it as the universal locus of anti-Western politics.
- Gold Star family
- An American term for a family that has lost a member in active military service; Clint Romesha uses it to describe the fear of having to tell bereaved families he failed to bring their son home.
- Mark 19
- An automatic grenade launcher used by US military forces; referenced by Clint Romesha in describing how a 19-year-old soldier held the eastern perimeter of Combat Outpost Keating alone for 15 hours during the Battle of Kamdesh.
- Fellow traveler
- A person who sympathizes with and supports a political movement without being a formal member; used by Shapiro to describe mainstream Democrats who will vote alongside DSA candidates if forced to choose.
- Misbegotten
- Badly conceived or ill-planned; used by Ben Shapiro to criticize the Iran MOU deal as a fundamentally flawed policy from the outset.
- Ballot harvesting
- The practice of collecting completed mail-in or absentee ballots from voters and submitting them on their behalf; Shapiro argues this is the real electoral threat the SAVE Act fails to address.
Chapter 2 · 01:30
The DSA's Takeover Plan: Anti-Americanism as a Winning Strategy
Ben Shapiro opens his main analysis with a sweeping argument: the Democratic Socialists of America are not a fringe movement riding affordability concerns — they are an ideological insurgency openly hostile to America, and their anti-Americanism is the feature, not the bug. He traces the historical arc from Barack Obama's early writings in 'Dreams from My Father,' which he argues expressed the same ideological matrix as Mamdani, through Bernie Sanders' near-victory in 2016, to the current moment where the DSA is fielding winning candidates in New York congressional primaries. The DSA's official platform, Shapiro reads aloud, calls for abolishing the Senate, replacing the executive and judiciary with Congress-subordinate bodies, defunding the Department of War, abolishing all prisons, freeing Palestine, ending sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran, granting universal amnesty, and establishing public ownership of all major corporations. Citing primary voting data, Shapiro demonstrates that DSA candidates like Chevalier win in college-educated, high-income neighborhoods while losing public housing and Hispanic precincts by 20–40 points — demolishing the working-class narrative. [1] — Ben Shapiro "The DSA's primary victories aren't being driven by housing costs — they're driven by anti-American ideology that resonates with college-edu…" 01:35
Claims made here
DSA candidate Daria Elisa Chevalier won 50–60% of votes in younger, majority college-educated, and higher-income areas in her congressional primary.
Espaillat won New York City Housing Authority precincts by 24 points across the district over Chevalier.
The DSA's primary victories aren't being driven by housing costs — they're driven by anti-American ideology that resonates with college-educated white progressives. Shapiro maps the complete political strategy: use the Democratic Party ballot line, recruit disaffected voters, and ride a youth coalition that already represents 56% of 18–29 year olds.
The DSA's official platform calls for abolishing the Senate, replacing the president and Supreme Court with Congress-subordinate bodies, defunding the Department of War, abolishing all prisons, ending sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran, granting universal amnesty, and public ownership of all major corporations. It's not hidden.
The Democratic Socialists of America grew from 6,500 members in 2012 to over 100,000 by early 2025, and Shapiro projects they could reach half a million by end of year.
Data from New York's primary races shows DSA candidates winning in wealthier, more educated neighborhoods while losing public housing and majority-Hispanic precincts by double digits. The working-class branding is a total fiction.
DSA candidate Daria Elisa Chevalier won 50–60% of the vote in younger, majority college-educated, and higher-income areas, while losing lower-income and majority Hispanic precincts.
Chapter 3 · 08:00
DSA Candidates Speak: Genocide, Nationalized Airlines, and Communism Rebranded
Clips of DSA candidates Claire Valdez and Daria Elisa Chevalier reveal the ideological core beneath affordability talking points: America was founded on genocide, the airline industry should be nationalized, and communism is just 'basic kindness.' Shapiro argues none of this is hidden — it's the actual pitch.
Claims made here
Internet providers in the United States can legally sell users' browsing data to third parties, and can see websites visited even in incognito mode.
Chapter 5 · 12:00
Mamdani's Coalition Blueprint: How 56% of Youth Becomes a National Movement
This is the analytical core of the episode. Shapiro uses Pew Research's political typology data to construct a detailed map of the Mamdani coalition. The DSA proper — the leftward progressives — represent 14% of all 18–29 year olds and 26% of young Democrats. Add the disaffected Democrats ('left-out left') at 19%, the tuned-out middle at 14% (the Joe Rogan types who don't pay close attention but will flock to anyone outside the system), and the loyal liberals at 9% (who will vote Democrat no matter what), and you get 56% of all voters under 30. [1] — Ben Shapiro "56% of 18–29 year olds in Mamdani coalition: Shapiro calculates that DSA supporters (14%), disaffected Democrats (19%), tuned-out middle (1…" 18:08 Shapiro explains the coalition-building strategy in detail: the DSA recruits the true believers, weaponizes Democratic disaffection by running inside the party to destroy it, captures the culturally engaged but politically disengaged through viral TikToks, and relies on partisans as a failsafe floor. The youth bet is that political identity formed young persists, and as this generation ages, it reshapes national politics. Zohran Mamdani, playing a clip, declares he is 'ready' to be the face of the Democratic Party — and Shapiro says he should be taken at his word.
Claims made here
A Pew Research poll shows 14% of people aged 18–29 identify as leftward progressive (DSA-aligned), representing 26% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents in that age group.
Pew Research shows a coalition of DSA true believers (14%), disaffected Democrats (19%), tuned-out moderates (14%), and loyal liberals (9%) totals 56% of all voters aged 18–29. The bet is that this youth coalition bleeds upward into older demographics over time.
According to a Pew poll, 14% of people aged 18–29 identify as leftward progressive (DSA-aligned), representing 26% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents in that age group.
Shapiro calculates that DSA supporters (14%), disaffected Democrats (19%), tuned-out middle (14%), and loyal liberals (9%) together represent 56% of all voters aged 18–29.
Shapiro profiles the DSA leadership class: Mamdani is a failed rapper whose father taught at Columbia; Chevalier has been in college or grad school since 2008; Valdez studied painting and worked a 9-to-5 at Columbia before discovering politics. Every major revolutionary in history, from Lenin to Hitler, was a disaffected pseudo-intellectual — and the DSA is no different.
Chapter 7 · 19:40
The DSA's Leadership Class: Disaffected Pseudo-Intellectuals and the Revolution Factory
Shapiro turns the analytical lens from the coalition's voters to its leaders, and the portrait is deliberately unsparing. Zohran Mamdani, son of a Columbia professor and a documentarian, was a failed rapper before entering politics — never holding a real job. Daria Elisa Chevalier has been in school since 2008, and is currently in her 7th year of a CUNY sociology PhD. Claire Valdez studied painting and art history at the School of Art Institute Chicago, discovered politics while working a 9-to-5 at Columbia, and found the regular work schedule 'revolutionary.' The pattern, Shapiro argues, is not accidental — revolutions across history, from Lenin to Hitler, have always been led by disaffected pseudo-intellectuals who feel personally disrespected by the system and have enough free time to organize. [1] — Ben Shapiro "Shapiro profiles the DSA leadership class: Mamdani is a failed rapper whose father taught at Columbia; Chevalier has been in college or gra…" 18:50 The DSA is, in Shapiro's framing, a 'make-work machine for college-educated losers' — a credentialing pipeline from elite universities to political agitation.
Claims made here
Daria Elisa Chevalier started college in 2008, graduated from Columbia in 2016 with a degree in Middle Eastern Studies, and was in her 7th year of a CUNY sociology PhD as of 2025.
Shapiro points out that DSA candidate Chevalier started college in 2008, graduated from Columbia in 2016 with a Middle Eastern Studies degree, and is currently in her 7th year of a CUNY sociology PhD.
Chapter 8 · 23:40
The DSA Inside the Democratic Party: Weaponizing Disaffection
DSA co-chair Gustavo Gordillo and member Megan Romer openly state they are running inside the Democratic Party to destroy it — not reform it — while Harry Enten's polling shows DSA members of Congress are more popular than mainstream Democrats by 13 points. Hakeem Jeffries, booed at his own party's victory events, struggles to hold the line.
Claims made here
DSA members of Congress have a net favorability of +17 points, compared to +4 for regular Democrats in Congress.
CNN analyst Harry Enten's polling data shows DSA members of Congress have a net favorability of +17 points compared to just +4 for regular Democrats in Congress.
Chapter 9 · 28:20
Republicans' Window: Capturing the Order and Opportunity Left
Shapiro zooms out from the youth-focused analysis to the full electorate, and the picture changes dramatically. The 56% figure only holds within the 18–29 demographic; across all age groups, the Mamdani coalition collapses to 39% — well short of a majority. [1] — Ben Shapiro "Order and Opportunity Left is 18% of all voters: The 'Order and Opportunity Left' — pro-capitalism, pro-law-enforcement, moderate Democrats…" 30:20 What accounts for the gap? The 'Order and Opportunity Left': 18% of all voters who are pro-law enforcement, pro-border security, and pro-capitalism with rough edges shaved off — the single biggest bloc in the entire electorate. If this group continues to reliably vote Democrat even as the party lurches left, the DSA wins. If Republicans can credibly appeal to them, Republicans win. Shapiro is explicit that this is not the 'working-class coalition' framing beloved by populists — what these voters actually want is moderation, not MAGA. Marco Rubio, in a 2020 clip, makes the broader philosophical argument: democratic socialism promises security for freedom, but you don't get your freedom back if the promise fails.
Claims made here
The combined Mamdani coalition (DSA + disaffected Democrats + tuned-out middle + loyal liberals) totals only 39% of the total electorate when not limited to 18–29 year olds.
The Order and Opportunity Left is 18% of the entire voting base, making it the single biggest group among all voters.
When extended beyond the 18–29 age bracket to all voters, the Mamdani coalition (DSA + disaffected Democrats + tuned-out middle + loyal liberals) totals only 39% of the electorate.
The biggest single Democratic voting bloc — the 'Order and Opportunity Left' — wants law enforcement, controlled immigration, and capitalism with rough edges shaved off. They're 18% of the entire electorate. If Republicans reach them before the DSA absorbs them, they win. If they don't, they lose.
The 'Order and Opportunity Left' — pro-capitalism, pro-law-enforcement, moderate Democrats — is the single largest voting bloc at 18% of the entire electorate, making them the key swing group.
Chapter 10 · 34:30
Trump vs. Senate Republicans: The Housing Bill and SAVE Act Standoff
The episode pivots to domestic legislative drama: Trump cancels the signing of the 21st Century Road to Housing Act — bipartisan legislation to reduce federal regulations, streamline environmental reviews, and expand manufactured housing financing — and says he won't sign it until Congress passes the SAVE Act. Shapiro is sympathetic to the SAVE Act's provisions (documentary citizenship proof for voter registration, photo ID requirements, in-person registration only) but brutal on the political logic. The housing bill has both good and bad elements — he criticizes the corporate investor ban on single-family home purchases as economically illiterate — but walking away from a signing ceremony that could demonstrate affordability results is, he argues, a self-inflicted wound. Trump, in a clip, dismisses the housing bill and says it's 'all about the interest rate.' Shapiro notes that rates are unlikely to fall given current inflation. Speaker Johnson offers a workaround: inserting the SAVE Act into Reconciliation 3.0.
Trump canceled the signing ceremony for the bipartisan 21st Century Road to Housing Act, demanding Congress pass the SAVE Act — which requires documentary citizenship proof to register to vote — as a condition. Shapiro calls it a political own goal: why sacrifice a winnable affordability narrative for a fight you don't have the votes to win?
Chapter 11 · 40:00
NATO Tensions and Trump's Disappointment with European Allies
With NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte at the White House, Trump delivers a pointed rebuke of European allies who offered words but not action during the US-led military operation against Iran. He singles out Italy, the UK, Germany, France, and Spain — calling Spain's attitude 'a horror show' — and says he just wants loyalty in return for the 50,000 US troops stationed in Germany and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on European bases. Rutte pushes back with the 4,000–5,000 flight figure, arguing the European contribution was substantial. Shapiro sides with Trump on the loyalty critique but argues the president's broader framing — that America should have just opened the Strait of Hormuz by force, or walked away and let China and Japan deal with Iran — was actually more strategically coherent than the MOU approach. He notes, with evident frustration, that walking away would have been stronger than signing a deal Iran is already violating.
The SAVE Act requires documentary proof of US citizenship to register for federal elections, photo ID for in-person voting, and in-person registration only. Shapiro supports most of it but argues the real electoral threat — ballot harvesting — isn't addressed, and blowing up the filibuster to pass it is a dangerous overreaction.
Chapter 12 · 46:00
The Erdoğan Problem: Turkey's NATO Loyalty vs. Hamas Support and Ottoman Ambitions
One of the episode's sharpest foreign policy critiques targets the Trump administration's embrace of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. In clips from the Trump-Rutte meeting, Trump calls Erdoğan 'a good man' and promises him 'something that's going to make him very happy' during an upcoming visit — apparently including F-35 parts. Rutte extols Turkey's 3,000-company defense industrial base. But Shapiro catalogs Erdoğan's actual record: holding Russian S-400 air defense systems that got Turkey expelled from the F-35 program; openly supporting Hamas; publicly talking about restoring Ottoman-era influence throughout the Middle East; and maintaining close ties with Russia. The infiltration of Turkish and Qatari foreign policy preferences into American decision-making, Shapiro argues, is 'disastrous' and works at cross-purposes with genuine US strategic interests in the region.
Claims made here
The US has 50,000 troops stationed in Germany and pays for military bases across Europe.
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte stated 4,000 to 5,000 US planes took off from European air bases during the 6-week Iran conflict.
Trump told NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte he doesn't need money or troops from allies — he just wants loyalty. He called out Germany, the UK, Italy, France, and Spain specifically after European allies offered only words during the Iran conflict. Rutte countered that 4,000–5,000 US planes flew from European bases during the 6-week war.
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte told President Trump that 4,000 to 5,000 US planes took off from European bases during the 6-week Iran war, arguing European allies did support the US.
Shapiro argues Trump's praise of Turkish President Erdoğan is a serious foreign policy error. Erdoğan holds Russian S-400 air defense systems, openly supports Hamas, publicly talks about restoring Ottoman influence across the Middle East, and is allied with Russia — yet Trump called him a 'good man' and promised a 'gift bag' visit.
Chapter 13 · 51:00
The Iran MOU Unraveling: Lebanon, Hezbollah, and a Strait Iran Already Controls
Shapiro turns to the Lebanon-Israel dimension of the Iran MOU, where Secretary of State Rubio's diplomacy — encouraging the Lebanese army to secure more territory from Hezbollah so Israel can withdraw — is being undermined by the vice president's parallel track of wrapping Lebanon into the Iranian appeasement portfolio. If the US is simultaneously telling Lebanon and Israel not to act against Hezbollah because it might upset Tehran, the entire Lebanese track collapses. Then the hammer falls: Shapiro plays actual IRGC Navy radio audio announcing that any vessel attempting to transit the Strait of Hormuz without IRGC permission or on unauthorized routes 'is responsible for any consequences of any danger.' Trump, in a clip, says shipping fees on the Strait would be 'unacceptable.' The MOU explicitly contemplates such fees after 60 days. Reality, Shapiro concludes, is going to force a reckoning — and the administration's current posture of denial cannot hold.
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Turkey's defense industrial base includes approximately 3,000 companies working across the world, including in the United States.
The IRGC Navy announced that all vessels must obtain IRGC permission and use designated routes to transit the Strait of Hormuz or face consequences.
While Trump insists the US controls the Strait of Hormuz, the IRGC Navy is broadcasting live warnings that no vessel may transit without their permission. The MOU explicitly includes future shipping fees, which Trump says would be unacceptable — a contradiction Shapiro says reality will eventually force a reckoning on.
Iranian IRGC Navy broadcast a warning that all vessels must receive IRGC permission and use designated routes to transit the Strait of Hormuz, contradicting Trump's claims of US control.
Chapter 15 · 56:40
Medal of Honor Recipient Clint Romesha: The Battle of Kamdesh
Shapiro welcomes Clint Romesha, Medal of Honor recipient and PureTalk brand ambassador, for a conversation that shifts the episode's tone from political polemic to something more elemental. Romesha, characteristically humble, opens by noting that 'true heroes are those that don't come home' — deflecting to the 8 soldiers killed at Combat Outpost Keating on October 3, 2009. He sketches the battle: 300 Taliban fighters attacked at 6 a.m., breached the perimeter, and had the Americans outnumbered 8-to-1 with no safe position outside cover. [1] — Clint Romesha "In 2009 at Combat Outpost Keating in Afghanistan, Clint Romesha and roughly 52 Americans were attacked by 300 Taliban fighters in a 15-hour…" 56:40 Romesha describes leading a counterattack to push the enemy off the ammo supply points, shut the front gate, and recover fallen soldiers before the enemy could reach them — a mission he openly acknowledges could have been a 'one-way trip.' He describes the experience not as heroism but as finally doing his job, stripping away the Chuck Norris mythology he grew up with. What stands out most in his telling is the love soldiers had for each other — that, not politics, is what held the line. A 19-year-old soldier named Kopis held the entire eastern perimeter alone in a Humvee for 15 hours; he's now a guidance counselor in Cleveland.
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At the Battle of Kamdesh in 2009, roughly 52 Americans and 2 Latvians were attacked by 300 Taliban fighters in a 15-hour firefight at Combat Outpost Keating, resulting in 8 American deaths.
In 2009 at Combat Outpost Keating in Afghanistan, Clint Romesha and roughly 52 Americans were attacked by 300 Taliban fighters in a 15-hour firefight the military had deemed unwinnable from an indefensible position. Eight Americans died. Romesha led a counterattack against an enemy that had breached the wire, outnumbered the defenders 8-to-1.
Medal of Honor recipient Clint Romesha described a 2009 firefight at Combat Outpost Keating where roughly 52 Americans and 2 Latvians were attacked by 300 Taliban fighters in a 15-hour battle.
Chapter 16 · 1:02:50
Veterans' Transition: Identity Loss, Civilian Life, and America's Warrior Partnership
The conversation with Romesha shifts from the battlefield to the harder, quieter war of civilian reintegration. Romesha identifies the core challenge not as PTSD but identity: veterans go from knowing exactly who they are — and knowing their teammates' specific quirks down to what their feet smell like — to complete disconnection, often overnight. The soft skills military service builds (initiative in the absence of orders, tact across diverse groups, attention to standards) don't translate easily in civilian job markets because veterans don't know how to articulate them. America's Warrior Partnership fills that gap by connecting each veteran individually to the right existing resources — helping navigate the VA, write resumes, find proper employment — rather than reinventing the wheel. Romesha personally found purpose by starting from the bottom in North Dakota oil fields, leveraging military tools to rise from laborer to managing 8 hydro excavator trucks. The episode closes on the Deeds Not Words initiative: when a veteran needed $300 for tools to start a new job, the program stepped in. PureTalk's customer roundup has raised nearly $750,000 to fund this kind of intervention.
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PureTalk's customer roundup program has raised almost $750,000 for America's Warrior Partnership.
Clint Romesha explains that veterans' biggest challenge isn't trauma — it's identity loss. The day after leaving the military, the unit is gone, the mission is gone, and the sense of belonging vanishes. America's Warrior Partnership exists to plug veterans into existing resources, not reinvent the wheel, connecting each veteran one-on-one to the support they individually need.
Clint Romesha stated that PureTalk's customer roundup program has raised almost $750,000 for America's Warrior Partnership.
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NYC Mayor and DSA leader, discussed as the face of the new democratic socialist movement taking over the Democratic Party.
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DSA congressional primary winner in New York, cited as the most extreme of the new DSA candidates; currently in her 7th year of a CUNY sociology PhD.
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DSA congressional primary winner who called for abolishing TSA PreCheck and nationalizing the airline industry; studied painting at the School of Art Institute Chicago.
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Former Army Staff Sergeant and Medal of Honor recipient for his actions at the Battle of Kamdesh in 2009; now serves on America's Warrior Partnership board.
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Turkish President, discussed as a problematic ally being praised by Trump despite supporting Hamas, holding Russian S-400 systems, and pushing Ottoman expansionism.
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House Democratic Minority Leader discussed as unable to hold the line against the DSA insurgency in his own New York backyard.
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US Secretary of State; praised by Shapiro for his Lebanon-Israel diplomacy and his 2020 warning about the dangers of democratic socialism.
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NATO Secretary General who met with Trump at the White House; defended European allies' contribution during the Iran conflict by citing 4,000–5,000 US flights from European bases.
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Speaker of the House; discussed for his plan to insert the SAVE Act into a reconciliation bill as a workaround to the Senate filibuster.
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US Senator and 2016/2020 Democratic presidential candidate; cited as the precursor to the Mamdani coalition who won the youth vote as an open democratic socialist.
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New York Attorney General who warned against 'blowing up' the Democratic Party, cited by Shapiro as an example of mainstream left being outflanked by the DSA.
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Far-left political organization whose candidates are winning Democratic primaries in New York and other states, central to the episode's main political analysis.
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Western military alliance whose European members were criticized by Trump for failing to show solidarity during the US-led military action against Iran.
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Veterans nonprofit that connects individual veterans to tailored support resources; partnered with PureTalk and discussed by Medal of Honor recipient Clint Romesha.
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Iranian-backed terror group in Lebanon; discussed in the context of US-brokered Lebanon-Israel talks aimed at removing Hezbollah from Lebanese territory.
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Cited extensively for its political typology poll breaking down Democratic and Republican voter subgroups by age, ideology, and race.
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Central to foreign policy discussion; the US struck Iranian nuclear facilities and the subsequent MOU is criticized by Shapiro for failing to resolve the Strait of Hormuz issue.
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Critical shipping chokepoint discussed in the context of the Iran MOU; the IRGC announced vessels need their permission to transit, contradicting US claims of control.
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NATO member nation discussed critically for its purchase of Russian S-400 systems, support for Hamas, and President Erdoğan's expansionist rhetoric.
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US military outpost in Afghanistan where Clint Romesha's Medal of Honor action took place in 2009; deemed militarily indefensible by the US Army.
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The DSA grew from 6,500 members in 2012 to over 100,000 by early 2025.
DSA candidate Daria Elisa Chevalier won 50–60% of votes in younger, majority college-educated, and higher-income areas in her congressional primary.
Espaillat won New York City Housing Authority precincts by 24 points across the district over Chevalier.
A Pew Research poll shows 14% of people aged 18–29 identify as leftward progressive (DSA-aligned), representing 26% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents in that age group.
DSA members of Congress have a net favorability of +17 points, compared to +4 for regular Democrats in Congress.
The Order and Opportunity Left is 18% of the entire voting base, making it the single biggest group among all voters.
The combined Mamdani coalition (DSA + disaffected Democrats + tuned-out middle + loyal liberals) totals only 39% of the total electorate when not limited to 18–29 year olds.
Daria Elisa Chevalier started college in 2008, graduated from Columbia in 2016 with a degree in Middle Eastern Studies, and was in her 7th year of a CUNY sociology PhD as of 2025.
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte stated 4,000 to 5,000 US planes took off from European air bases during the 6-week Iran conflict.
The US has 50,000 troops stationed in Germany and pays for military bases across Europe.
The IRGC Navy announced that all vessels must obtain IRGC permission and use designated routes to transit the Strait of Hormuz or face consequences.
PureTalk's customer roundup program has raised almost $750,000 for America's Warrior Partnership.
At the Battle of Kamdesh in 2009, roughly 52 Americans and 2 Latvians were attacked by 300 Taliban fighters in a 15-hour firefight at Combat Outpost Keating, resulting in 8 American deaths.
Blinds.com has been in business 29 years and has covered more than 25 million windows, making it the number one online retailer of custom window treatments.
Turkey's defense industrial base includes approximately 3,000 companies working across the world, including in the United States.
Internet providers in the United States can legally sell users' browsing data to third parties, and can see websites visited even in incognito mode.
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