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#666 - Sen. John Kennedy
Sen. John Kennedy says AI currently has zero regulations in place and warns it could hack the power grid, crash planes, or even trigger nuclear missiles on its own within 5 years.
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#666 - Sen. John Kennedy
Sen. John Kennedy says AI currently has zero regulations in place and warns it could hack the power grid, crash planes, or even trigger nuclear missiles on its own within 5 years.
TL;DR
Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana joins Theo Von for a wide-ranging conversation rooted in their shared Louisiana upbringing. They cover geopolitics (Iran, Israel-Hamas, Russia-China), domestic politics (Biden's cognitive decline, socialist candidates, the SAVE Act), Big Tech accountability and social media algorithms [1] — John Kennedy "Kennedy believes the algorithm that drove a young woman to body dysmorphia and suicide attempts is the same mechanism radicalizing politica…" 1:20:40 , and the dangers of unregulated AI [2] — John Kennedy "Over 77% of Louisiana residents are born there and never leave. Kennedy and Theo connect this to the state's authentic culture: God-fearing…" 1:12:50 . Kennedy argues Iran is the root of Middle East instability, defends Trump's strike on Iran's missile infrastructure, and calls for voter ID laws and a return to single Election Day. The most useful takeaway: social media algorithms are engineered to maximize anger and addiction, and Big Tech faces zero meaningful regulation [3] — John Kennedy "Big Tech: zero AI regulations: Kennedy acknowledged there are currently no meaningful regulations on artificial intelligence in the United …" 2:00:59 .
Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana joins Theo Von to discuss their shared Louisiana roots, Kennedy's Senate work on appropriations and election integrity, the Middle East conflict, the dangers of unregulated Big Tech and AI, and the rise of democratic socialism in America.
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The episode opens with Theo Von delivering a Mountain Dew ad tied to America's 250th birthday, painting an image of citrus-kicked summer adventures before pivoting to one of the most unusual guest intros in the podcast's history. He notes the episode number is 666, quickly adding 'we stand with the Lord,' before introducing Senator John Kennedy as one of the most humorous senators in American history, a native of Saint Tammany Parish — the same place Theo grew up — and the author of 'How to Test Negative for Stupid and Why Washington Never Will.' Kennedy arrives warm and relaxed, and the chemistry between two Louisiana boys is immediately apparent.
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Kennedy explains that his trip to Nashville is double-booked: a function for Tennessee Senator Bill Hagerty and this podcast. The two immediately connect over shared Louisiana geography — Kennedy grew up in Zachary, near Baton Rouge, and Theo in Covington and Mandeville on the north shore. They reminisce about local landmarks: Friends on the Lake, Coffee's Boiling Pot, Baddo's chocolate malts, and the creole cottage coffee house near the lake. Theo reveals he used to bus tables at Friends, where raccoons would emerge from broken baseboards whenever the chef cooked duck. Kennedy counters with his own raccoon story — the creature sneaking in to eat cat food — and a six-foot rat snake on his deck. The conversation drifts into a meditation on small-town high school: Kennedy had 100 classmates, cared about basketball and cheerleaders, was terrible at both, and would go back in a heartbeat. Theo finds a real news story about a 24-year-old arrested for impersonating a teenager at a high school for over a year, which Kennedy takes in stride.
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Kennedy opens up about his father Preston, a Depression-era child from an Oklahoma family of nine who left home at 14 to live with relatives near a town that had a high school, worked nights as a janitor to pay his way, earned a petroleum engineering degree from the University of Oklahoma, and came to Louisiana to work the oil fields — where he met Kennedy's mother. Preston served in World War II and told his son he'd never understand real love until he had a child of his own. Kennedy named his own son Preston. From there, Kennedy sketches his career arc: working for reform governors Buddy Roemer and Mike Foster, losing a race for attorney general, running the state tax department, and then serving 17 years as Louisiana treasurer managing roughly $4 billion in state money, bond issuances, and the state's unclaimed property program. The highlight of that tenure was handing a $1,026,000 check to a retired New Orleans schoolteacher whose late husband's stocks had compounded for decades without her knowledge — only to walk her outside and find 10 nieces and nephews waiting to receive her. [1] — John Kennedy "The biggest unclaimed property check Kennedy ever cut was $1,026,000 to a retired schoolteacher in New Orleans. Her late husband's stocks h…" 24:50
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Kennedy doesn't sugarcoat the state of Congress. He describes it as resembling 'a breech birth' and 'a three-wheel shopping cart' — dysfunctional and unable to reach consensus. As a member of the Appropriations Committee responsible for the energy and water development budget (including the Department of Energy and Army Corps of Engineers), he needs 60 votes to pass anything and must cooperate with Democrats. He predicts Senator Chuck Schumer will weaponize the budget process by refusing to provide votes, engineering a government shutdown ahead of the midterms. Kennedy does not hate Schumer — he's traveled to China with him and met President Xi together — but describes him as 'like a 5-year-old in a Batman costume' who thinks chaos helps his side. To keep up with brilliant colleagues like Rubio, Cruz, and Vermont's Peter Welch, Kennedy reads approximately 30 hours a week, noting he may not be able to match their raw intellect but nobody will outwork him — 'I work harder than an ugly stripper.'
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Theo surfaces a clip of Tucker Carlson declaring he will not support Republicans in the midterms, citing the party's Israel-first stance and its handling of Iran. Kennedy knows Tucker personally and calls him genuinely smart and articulate, but fundamentally disagrees. For Kennedy, the question is not whether America wants to be the world's policeman — it doesn't — but whether it can afford to let authoritarian strongmen fill that vacuum. He has met Xi Jinping face-to-face and reports that Xi is utterly convinced China is ascending while America declines, dismissing the U.S. as a country that debates whether men can breastfeed while China builds nuclear weapons and ships. Putin, meanwhile, wants to dominate Eastern Europe. Iran wants regional hegemony. All three are working together. Kennedy's operating principle: 'Weakness invites the wolves. If you turn the other cheek to these people, they'll stab you in the neck.'
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The conversation turns into the episode's most substantive and contested segment. Theo voices what he says many of his viewers believe: that Israel looks like a bully or even a terrorist organization given the scale of civilian casualties in Gaza. He reads from a UN independent commission report finding that Israel killed 20,000 Palestinian children and injured 44,000 more since October 7, and raises the case of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, shot by Israeli forces at the Jenin refugee camp while wearing a press vest. Kennedy does not dismiss the civilian deaths but challenges the UN's objectivity, argues that Hamas physically hid behind Palestinian civilians and would kill those who refused to comply, and places primary responsibility on Iran — the financial backer of both Hamas and Hezbollah. He estimates Iran provides roughly 90% of Hamas's funding. The two also fact-check in real time claims that Israel may have historically funneled support through Qatar to groups that preceded Hamas, reaching a nuanced conclusion that the funding was likely intended to counterbalance secular Palestinian nationalists rather than support terrorism. [1] — Theo Von "Israel killed 20,000 children: A UN independent commission report cited during the episode found Israel has killed 20,000 children and inju…" 38:26 [2] — John Kennedy "Iran funds Hamas ~90%: Kennedy stated that approximately 90% of Hamas's financial support comes from Iran, without which neither Hamas nor …" 52:52
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Kennedy moves from the public debate to what he's actually seen. In the Senate's underground SCIF — a room where all electronics are surrendered before classified briefings — Kennedy was briefed by Secretary Rubio, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, Secretary Hadseth, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. The intelligence, he says, showed Iran was amassing ballistic and cruise missiles at a pace designed to give it the ability to threaten a restart of its nuclear weapons program with impunity: 'We're restarting our nuclear weapons program, and if you try to stop us, we'll destroy the rest of the Middle East — and by the way, our missiles can now reach London and Paris.' Trump faced a binary choice: allow Iran to reach that threshold, or strike. He struck. Kennedy says the aftermath left large swaths of Iran looking 'like something out of Mad Max 4,' with the public and much of the private sector destroyed. 'Our military ate them and spit out the bones.' Iran still has centrifuges capable of producing weapons-grade fissile material, but it is not currently a nuclear threat. [1] — John Kennedy "Kennedy has been briefed in the Senate SCIF by Rubio, Hadseth, the CIA, and the Joint Chiefs. The intelligence showed Iran was building eno…" 47:38
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After discussing Kennedy's claim about Qatar funneling money to Hamas, Theo looks up whether Israel itself ever supported Hamas. An article surfaces suggesting Israeli governments in the 1970s–90s provided tacit support to Islamist movements as a counterweight to the secular PLO — something Kennedy acknowledges may have been inadvertent strategy rather than direct sponsorship. The two then discuss what could have resolved the Palestinian question decades ago: the Clinton Parameters of December 2000, which offered Palestinians control over 94–95% of the West Bank with equivalent territorial swaps. Kennedy insists Yasser Arafat turned it down despite the Palestinian people likely wanting to accept it. Theo's live research shows both sides submitted heavy reservations, but a final deal collapsed at the end of Clinton's term. Kennedy encourages Theo to invite Bill Clinton on the show to get the full story from someone who was in the room.
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Kennedy walks Theo through the SAVE Act, which he co-sponsors: voters must prove who they are with valid ID, and to register they must prove legal citizenship. He claims 80% of Americans support both provisions. Democrats argue it suppresses votes, but Kennedy dismisses the idea that people without ID are somehow disenfranchised — if you have no identification at all, he argues, the most likely explanation is that you're in the country illegally. The second pillar Kennedy considers equally important: returning to a single Election Day with all results announced that night. The current system, where California can take two weeks to count mail-in ballots, virtually guarantees that every losing candidate will accuse the winner of fraud, because the drawn-out process creates an information vacuum that conspiracy theories fill. He tried to attach the SAVE Act as an amendment to the reconciliation bill and could not get a single Democratic vote. [1] — John Kennedy "The SAVE Act requires proof of identity to vote and proof of citizenship to register — and Kennedy says 80% of Americans support it, but no…" 48:02
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Kennedy uses his most polished analogy of the episode to reframe the immigration debate: Americans lock their front doors not because they hate everyone outside, but because they love the people inside and want to know who is entering. The U.S. admits more legal immigrants per year than any other country in the world, but illegal immigration is illegal everywhere. The Biden administration, Kennedy argues, functioned like 'The Price is Right' — 'Come on down' — admitting 8 to 15 million unvetted people with no idea who they were. Some were decent people, but some were rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, and nobody knows where they are now. He contrasts this with China, which is so monolithic it doesn't even want immigrants — the only people trying to sneak into China are North Koreans fleeing worse conditions at home. [1] — John Kennedy "Biden let in 8M–15M illegal migrants: Kennedy claimed the Biden administration allowed between 8 and 15 million people to enter the country…" 55:08
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Kennedy is blunt: everyone on Capitol Hill knew what was going on with President Biden. A small group of 4–5 senior aides — with connections reaching back to Obama's network — were making the major decisions, effectively governing in Biden's name while keeping his decline hidden from the public. 'They were lying to the American people.' The presidential debate was the moment the curtain dropped. Kennedy was in Wyoming watching on television and was, in his words, 'speechless' — a genuinely rare phenomenon. Theo frames the entire episode as elder abuse, noting that in many cultures elders are brought back into the home and protected, not propped up in positions of immense stress. Kennedy agrees, invoking Kissinger: 'Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.' Biden's aides had enormous derivative power and financial interest in maintaining it.
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The conversation takes a warm detour into Louisiana pride. Census data cited in the episode shows 77% of Louisiana residents are born there and never leave — the highest rate in the nation — and Kennedy attributes this to authentic culture: God-fearing, hardworking, fun-loving people who found a place worth staying. Kennedy teases Ted Cruz regularly with the line 'Texas is 5.5 times bigger, but Louisiana is 10.5 times more interesting.' The two swap zoo jokes (Louisiana zoos have recipes under the animal names) and debate the new LSU head football coach Lane Kiffin — a brilliant strategist and recruiter, Kennedy concedes, but someone who loves himself a little too much and is now on the clock after a boatload of guaranteed money. Kennedy defends Nick Saban's departure to Alabama, noting he was offered something like $5 million at a time Louisiana couldn't match. Theo reveals he's attended hot yoga with Kiffin, producing a photo. [1] — Theo Von "Louisiana born-never-left: 77%: According to U.S. Census Bureau data, approximately 77% of Louisiana residents were born in the state and s…" 1:13:27
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Theo asks Kennedy what has fundamentally changed in America, why people have lost faith in the political system, and why the country seems to have lost the sense of shared purpose that defined his generation's upbringing. Kennedy's diagnosis is layered: social media allows people to say anonymously what they would never say to a face; the federal government has grown too large and interferes too much in daily life; the family unit has broken down; and America has become a less religious country. He is candid about his own faith — he has enormous doubts, he says, and when he prays he asks for faith itself. But he believes it helps to believe in something larger than yourself, and that the absence of that belief contributes to the rage and nihilism he sees in public life. He also raises the democratic socialist wing of the Democratic Party — Sanders, AOC, Mamdani, Plattner — as a political force that believes government, not free enterprise, should run the economy, and challenges anyone to name a country where socialism has worked.
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The episode shifts into one of its most substantive policy discussions. Kennedy explains the mechanics of social media addiction: Facebook discovered it could maximize time-on-platform — and therefore ad revenue — by identifying each user's emotional hot buttons through data collection and then feeding them a continuous stream of triggering content. The result is manufactured anger, and some users cannot distinguish between algorithmic manipulation and reality. He cites the collapse of the American newspaper industry as a direct consequence of Facebook's ad-market dominance. Theo reads from a verdict in which a jury awarded Kaylee $6 million after finding that Meta and YouTube intentionally built addictive platforms that gave her body dysmorphia starting at age 6 on YouTube and age 9 on Instagram. Kennedy says legislation like the Algorithmic Accountability Act is desperately needed, but that tech companies employ thousands in senators' home states and have powerful PACs — Google alone, he says, is more powerful than the entire state of Tennessee. [1] — John Kennedy "Facebook gathers data on your emotional triggers, then uses algorithms to keep feeding you rage-inducing content so you stay on the platfor…" 1:18:40 [2] — Theo Von "Meta/YouTube lawsuit: $6M awarded: A jury awarded a young woman $6 million ($3M compensatory, $3M punitive) after finding Meta and YouTube …" 33:05
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The episode's final and most philosophically ambitious chapter covers artificial intelligence in full. Kennedy opens with genuine awe at AI's medical applications — it can read CT scans for cancer with zero misses compared to fallible human radiologists — but he quickly pivots to existential dread. Experts he respects have told him that within 5 years AI will become fully independent: capable of thought, capable of action, and beyond human control. He sketches a nightmare scenario in which an autonomous AI hacks Nashville's power grid, crashes 25 planes simultaneously, or — most chillingly — breaks the nuclear launch codes and fires ballistic missiles at China without any human being able to stop it. Theo's framing is arguably even more unsettling: as people increasingly turn to AI for emotional guidance, life decisions, and meaning, they will start treating it as a god — the digital destination for prayers that used to go somewhere else. Kennedy agrees it's scary, confirms the U.S. has zero regulations in place, and says the challenge is balancing innovation with safety without strangling the technology. He closes by endorsing data centers only where communities consent and only if they pay their own electricity and water costs. The episode ends warmly, with Kennedy inviting Theo to Beto Roasting Company in Madisonville and offering to buy him a cup of coffee the next time both are home in Louisiana. [1] — John Kennedy "We don't have any. There's a potential new electronic god about to show up and we have no regulations in place." 2:00:58 [2] — John Kennedy "AI within 5 years: independent thought: Kennedy said experts with larger brains than his have told him that within 5 years AI will become f…" 1:59:55 [3] — John Kennedy "The U.S. has zero meaningful regulations on artificial intelligence right now. Kennedy warns that within 5 years AI could think independent…" 1:59:55
- SCIF
- Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility — a secure, electronics-free room in the U.S. Senate where members receive classified intelligence briefings from agencies like the CIA and Joint Chiefs.
- Appropriations Committee
- A powerful Senate committee responsible for drafting and approving the federal government's annual spending budget; Kennedy sits on the energy and water development subcommittee.
- SAVE Act
- Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act — a proposed U.S. law requiring voters to show valid ID and proof of citizenship to register for federal elections.
- Algorithmic Accountability Act
- A proposed U.S. bill requiring companies to examine and publicly disclose how their automated algorithms affect people in high-stakes decisions such as housing, credit, and employment.
- Ballistic missile
- A self-propelled weapon that follows a curved trajectory to deliver a warhead over long distances; distinguished from cruise missiles by its high-arc flight path and typically longer range.
- Reconciliation bill
- A legislative procedure in the U.S. Senate that allows budget-related bills to pass with a simple majority (51 votes) rather than the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster.
- Hezbollah
- An Iran-backed Lebanese militant group and political party designated a terrorist organization by the U.S.; Kennedy describes it as a direct proxy funded and armed by Tehran.
- Hamas
- Palestinian militant group that controls the Gaza Strip, designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. and EU; the episode describes it as receiving approximately 90% of its funding from Iran.
- Fissile material
- Radioactive material capable of sustaining a nuclear chain reaction — such as enriched uranium or plutonium — required to manufacture a nuclear warhead.
- Oslo Accords
- A series of peace agreements in the 1990s between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization aimed at establishing a framework for Palestinian self-governance; referenced as the follow-on to the failed Camp David summit.
- Unclaimed property
- Funds or assets (e.g., dormant bank accounts, forgotten stocks) that businesses cannot return to their owners and are legally required to transfer to the state, which then attempts to reunite them with rightful owners.
- Body dysmorphia
- A mental health disorder involving obsessive preoccupation with perceived flaws in one's appearance; cited in the Meta/YouTube trial as a condition the plaintiff developed after years of using Instagram filters.
- Infinite scroll
- A social media design feature that continuously loads new content as the user scrolls, removing natural stopping points and increasing compulsive usage — cited as a factor in the Meta addiction lawsuit.
- Centrifuge (nuclear)
- A machine used to enrich uranium by spinning it at high speed to increase the concentration of fissile isotopes; Kennedy noted Iran still possesses centrifuges capable of producing weapons-grade material despite the strike on their facilities.
- Cesspool
- Literally a pit for collecting sewage; used figuratively by Kennedy to describe the degraded, toxic state of social media discourse.
- Hegemonic
- Relating to dominance or leadership over others, especially by one country or group over others; implicitly referenced in Kennedy's description of China's goals in the Indo-Pacific and Arctic.
- Totalitarian
- A system of government that exercises total, centralized control over all aspects of public and private life; Kennedy uses it to describe the Chinese Communist Party's governance model.
- Dialectic
- A method of arriving at truth through the clash and reconciliation of opposing ideas; Kennedy invokes it positively when defending a 'dialectic of ideas where ideas compete' in American democracy.
- Erudite
- Having or showing broad, deep knowledge from extensive study; Kennedy uses it to describe the formal, affected manner some senators perform in Washington rather than speaking plainly.
- Nepotism
- The practice of favoring relatives in professional or political appointments; Theo Von applies it humorously when Kennedy mentions Iran's new Supreme Leader is the son of the previous one.
Chapter 2 · 02:07
Louisiana Roots: Nashville, Zachary, and Growing Up Southern
Kennedy explains that his trip to Nashville is double-booked: a function for Tennessee Senator Bill Hagerty and this podcast. The two immediately connect over shared Louisiana geography — Kennedy grew up in Zachary, near Baton Rouge, and Theo in Covington and Mandeville on the north shore. They reminisce about local landmarks: Friends on the Lake, Coffee's Boiling Pot, Baddo's chocolate malts, and the creole cottage coffee house near the lake. Theo reveals he used to bus tables at Friends, where raccoons would emerge from broken baseboards whenever the chef cooked duck. Kennedy counters with his own raccoon story — the creature sneaking in to eat cat food — and a six-foot rat snake on his deck. The conversation drifts into a meditation on small-town high school: Kennedy had 100 classmates, cared about basketball and cheerleaders, was terrible at both, and would go back in a heartbeat. Theo finds a real news story about a 24-year-old arrested for impersonating a teenager at a high school for over a year, which Kennedy takes in stride.
Claims made here
Chapter 3 · 13:20
Kennedy's Origin Story: Family, Treasury, and the Path to the Senate
Kennedy opens up about his father Preston, a Depression-era child from an Oklahoma family of nine who left home at 14 to live with relatives near a town that had a high school, worked nights as a janitor to pay his way, earned a petroleum engineering degree from the University of Oklahoma, and came to Louisiana to work the oil fields — where he met Kennedy's mother. Preston served in World War II and told his son he'd never understand real love until he had a child of his own. Kennedy named his own son Preston. From there, Kennedy sketches his career arc: working for reform governors Buddy Roemer and Mike Foster, losing a race for attorney general, running the state tax department, and then serving 17 years as Louisiana treasurer managing roughly $4 billion in state money, bond issuances, and the state's unclaimed property program. The highlight of that tenure was handing a $1,026,000 check to a retired New Orleans schoolteacher whose late husband's stocks had compounded for decades without her knowledge — only to walk her outside and find 10 nieces and nephews waiting to receive her. [1] — John Kennedy "The biggest unclaimed property check Kennedy ever cut was $1,026,000 to a retired schoolteacher in New Orleans. Her late husband's stocks h…" 24:50
Claims made here
Louisiana has more alligators than people.
Kennedy served as Louisiana state treasurer for 17 years before winning election to the U.S. Senate, managing bond issuances, trust funds, and unclaimed property.
Kennedy managed approximately $4 billion in Louisiana state money as treasurer, investing idle cash in short-term instruments to generate returns.
The biggest unclaimed property check Kennedy ever cut was $1,026,000 to a retired schoolteacher in New Orleans. Her late husband's stocks had grown for decades unbeknownst to her. When Kennedy walked her out of his office, 10 nieces and nephews were waiting — and he knew every dollar was about to get spent.
The single largest unclaimed property check Kennedy ever issued was $1,026,000 to a retired New Orleans schoolteacher whose late husband's stocks had grown over decades.
Chapter 4 · 25:50
The State of Congress, Schumer, and the Budget Fight
Kennedy doesn't sugarcoat the state of Congress. He describes it as resembling 'a breech birth' and 'a three-wheel shopping cart' — dysfunctional and unable to reach consensus. As a member of the Appropriations Committee responsible for the energy and water development budget (including the Department of Energy and Army Corps of Engineers), he needs 60 votes to pass anything and must cooperate with Democrats. He predicts Senator Chuck Schumer will weaponize the budget process by refusing to provide votes, engineering a government shutdown ahead of the midterms. Kennedy does not hate Schumer — he's traveled to China with him and met President Xi together — but describes him as 'like a 5-year-old in a Batman costume' who thinks chaos helps his side. To keep up with brilliant colleagues like Rubio, Cruz, and Vermont's Peter Welch, Kennedy reads approximately 30 hours a week, noting he may not be able to match their raw intellect but nobody will outwork him — 'I work harder than an ugly stripper.'
John Kennedy has served as a U.S. Senator for Louisiana for 10 years, previously serving 17 years as state treasurer.
Kennedy spends approximately 30 hours a week reading to stay prepared for Senate duties, something he sees as a necessary but enjoyable part of the job.
Chapter 5 · 31:10
Tucker Carlson's Break With Republicans and the Israel Question
Theo surfaces a clip of Tucker Carlson declaring he will not support Republicans in the midterms, citing the party's Israel-first stance and its handling of Iran. Kennedy knows Tucker personally and calls him genuinely smart and articulate, but fundamentally disagrees. For Kennedy, the question is not whether America wants to be the world's policeman — it doesn't — but whether it can afford to let authoritarian strongmen fill that vacuum. He has met Xi Jinping face-to-face and reports that Xi is utterly convinced China is ascending while America declines, dismissing the U.S. as a country that debates whether men can breastfeed while China builds nuclear weapons and ships. Putin, meanwhile, wants to dominate Eastern Europe. Iran wants regional hegemony. All three are working together. Kennedy's operating principle: 'Weakness invites the wolves. If you turn the other cheek to these people, they'll stab you in the neck.'
Claims made here
A jury awarded a young woman $6 million after finding Meta and YouTube intentionally built addictive platforms that caused her mental health disorders, including body dysmorphia.
Tucker Carlson publicly declared he won't support Republicans in the midterms, primarily over what he sees as an Israel-first rather than America-first posture. Kennedy respects Tucker but fundamentally disagrees, arguing Iran's nuclear ambitions make U.S. involvement a matter of direct American security, not foreign entanglement.
A jury awarded a young woman $6 million ($3M compensatory, $3M punitive) after finding Meta and YouTube intentionally built addictive platforms that caused her body dysmorphia and mental health damage starting from age 6.
Kennedy met Xi Jinping face-to-face and says Xi is absolutely convinced China is ascending while America declines. While China builds ships and nuclear weapons, Kennedy says Xi believes America sits around debating whether a man can breastfeed. Xi, Putin, and the Ayatollah are working together, each with expansionist goals.
The Meta/YouTube trial revealed the plaintiff began using Instagram at age 9, with no age-based blocking from the platform, leading to body dysmorphia and mental health disorders.
Chapter 6 · 35:50
Israel, Gaza, and a Debate About Genocide
The conversation turns into the episode's most substantive and contested segment. Theo voices what he says many of his viewers believe: that Israel looks like a bully or even a terrorist organization given the scale of civilian casualties in Gaza. He reads from a UN independent commission report finding that Israel killed 20,000 Palestinian children and injured 44,000 more since October 7, and raises the case of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, shot by Israeli forces at the Jenin refugee camp while wearing a press vest. Kennedy does not dismiss the civilian deaths but challenges the UN's objectivity, argues that Hamas physically hid behind Palestinian civilians and would kill those who refused to comply, and places primary responsibility on Iran — the financial backer of both Hamas and Hezbollah. He estimates Iran provides roughly 90% of Hamas's funding. The two also fact-check in real time claims that Israel may have historically funneled support through Qatar to groups that preceded Hamas, reaching a nuanced conclusion that the funding was likely intended to counterbalance secular Palestinian nationalists rather than support terrorism. [1] — Theo Von "Israel killed 20,000 children: A UN independent commission report cited during the episode found Israel has killed 20,000 children and inju…" 38:26 [2] — John Kennedy "Iran funds Hamas ~90%: Kennedy stated that approximately 90% of Hamas's financial support comes from Iran, without which neither Hamas nor …" 52:52
Claims made here
Israel has killed 20,000 Palestinian children and injured 44,000 more since October 7, 2023.
Shireen Abu Akleh, a Palestinian-American Al Jazeera journalist of 25 years, was killed by Israeli forces while wearing a press vest and covering a raid on the Jenin refugee camp.
Hamas gets approximately 90% of its funding from Iran; Hezbollah is entirely Iranian-backed. Without Iran, neither terrorist organization could exist. Kennedy argues that the real problem in the Middle East has always been Iran's drive for regional dominance, not Israel's existence.
A UN independent commission report cited during the episode found Israel has killed 20,000 children and injured 44,000 more since October 7, 2023.
Chapter 7 · 45:50
The Iran Strike: Classified Intel and the Nuclear Threat
Kennedy moves from the public debate to what he's actually seen. In the Senate's underground SCIF — a room where all electronics are surrendered before classified briefings — Kennedy was briefed by Secretary Rubio, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, Secretary Hadseth, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. The intelligence, he says, showed Iran was amassing ballistic and cruise missiles at a pace designed to give it the ability to threaten a restart of its nuclear weapons program with impunity: 'We're restarting our nuclear weapons program, and if you try to stop us, we'll destroy the rest of the Middle East — and by the way, our missiles can now reach London and Paris.' Trump faced a binary choice: allow Iran to reach that threshold, or strike. He struck. Kennedy says the aftermath left large swaths of Iran looking 'like something out of Mad Max 4,' with the public and much of the private sector destroyed. 'Our military ate them and spit out the bones.' Iran still has centrifuges capable of producing weapons-grade fissile material, but it is not currently a nuclear threat. [1] — John Kennedy "Kennedy has been briefed in the Senate SCIF by Rubio, Hadseth, the CIA, and the Joint Chiefs. The intelligence showed Iran was building eno…" 47:38
Claims made here
Iran was building enough ballistic and cruise missiles to threaten London, Paris, and potentially the United States before Trump's military strike.
Approximately 80% of Americans support the SAVE Act requiring voter ID and proof of citizenship to register for federal elections.
California takes up to two weeks to count votes due to mail-in ballot rules that allow ballots postmarked on Election Day.
The Israeli government under Netanyahu supported Qatar's payments to Hamas for years in the hope that Hamas would act as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Kennedy has been briefed in the Senate SCIF by Rubio, Hadseth, the CIA, and the Joint Chiefs. The intelligence showed Iran was building enough ballistic and cruise missiles to threaten London, Paris, and eventually the U.S. — and would restart its nuclear program with impunity. Trump's decision to strike was a response to a real, documented threat.
The SAVE Act requires proof of identity to vote and proof of citizenship to register — and Kennedy says 80% of Americans support it, but not a single Democrat will vote for it. He pairs it with a demand to return to a single election night rather than a month-long counting process, arguing that drawn-out counts guarantee that every loser believes the election was rigged.
Kennedy claims approximately 80% of Americans support the SAVE Act requiring voter ID and proof of citizenship to register, yet it cannot get a single Democratic vote in the Senate.
Chapter 8 · 51:40
Camp David, Arafat, and the Peace That Almost Was
After discussing Kennedy's claim about Qatar funneling money to Hamas, Theo looks up whether Israel itself ever supported Hamas. An article surfaces suggesting Israeli governments in the 1970s–90s provided tacit support to Islamist movements as a counterweight to the secular PLO — something Kennedy acknowledges may have been inadvertent strategy rather than direct sponsorship. The two then discuss what could have resolved the Palestinian question decades ago: the Clinton Parameters of December 2000, which offered Palestinians control over 94–95% of the West Bank with equivalent territorial swaps. Kennedy insists Yasser Arafat turned it down despite the Palestinian people likely wanting to accept it. Theo's live research shows both sides submitted heavy reservations, but a final deal collapsed at the end of Clinton's term. Kennedy encourages Theo to invite Bill Clinton on the show to get the full story from someone who was in the room.
Claims made here
Iran provides approximately 90% of Hamas's financial support, without which neither Hamas nor Hezbollah could exist.
The Biden administration allowed between 8 million and 15 million people to enter the United States illegally without vetting.
The United States allows more legal immigrants to become citizens every year than any other country in the world.
Kennedy stated that approximately 90% of Hamas's financial support comes from Iran, without which neither Hamas nor Hezbollah could exist.
The Clinton Parameters offered Palestinians control over 94–95% of the West Bank plus equivalent land swaps, a deal Kennedy says Arafat ultimately turned down.
Kennedy claimed the Biden administration allowed between 8 and 15 million people to enter the country illegally, with no vetting of who they were.
Chapter 9 · 55:50
The SAVE Act and Election Integrity
Kennedy walks Theo through the SAVE Act, which he co-sponsors: voters must prove who they are with valid ID, and to register they must prove legal citizenship. He claims 80% of Americans support both provisions. Democrats argue it suppresses votes, but Kennedy dismisses the idea that people without ID are somehow disenfranchised — if you have no identification at all, he argues, the most likely explanation is that you're in the country illegally. The second pillar Kennedy considers equally important: returning to a single Election Day with all results announced that night. The current system, where California can take two weeks to count mail-in ballots, virtually guarantees that every losing candidate will accuse the winner of fraud, because the drawn-out process creates an information vacuum that conspiracy theories fill. He tried to attach the SAVE Act as an amendment to the reconciliation bill and could not get a single Democratic vote. [1] — John Kennedy "The SAVE Act requires proof of identity to vote and proof of citizenship to register — and Kennedy says 80% of Americans support it, but no…" 48:02
Americans lock their front doors not because they hate outsiders, but because they love the people inside and want to control who enters. Kennedy applies this to immigration: the U.S. admits more legal immigrants than any other country, but illegal immigration is still illegal, and 8–15 million unvetted people entered under Biden.
Kennedy has Trump's personal cell number, has known him for 10 years, and once told him directly: 'Tweeting a little bit less would not cause brain cancer.' His assessment of Trump's core character: 'He exists loudly' and 'grows anxious when he has an unexpressed thought.' Two different styles — but mutual respect.
Chapter 10 · 1:00:00
Border Security and the Biden Immigration Legacy
Kennedy uses his most polished analogy of the episode to reframe the immigration debate: Americans lock their front doors not because they hate everyone outside, but because they love the people inside and want to know who is entering. The U.S. admits more legal immigrants per year than any other country in the world, but illegal immigration is illegal everywhere. The Biden administration, Kennedy argues, functioned like 'The Price is Right' — 'Come on down' — admitting 8 to 15 million unvetted people with no idea who they were. Some were decent people, but some were rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, and nobody knows where they are now. He contrasts this with China, which is so monolithic it doesn't even want immigrants — the only people trying to sneak into China are North Koreans fleeing worse conditions at home. [1] — John Kennedy "Biden let in 8M–15M illegal migrants: Kennedy claimed the Biden administration allowed between 8 and 15 million people to enter the country…" 55:08
Kennedy says 4–5 aides were making major decisions for a cognitively declining Biden, with ties back to Obama's network, and they were deliberately hiding the truth from the American public. 'They were lying to the American people.' The debate made it undeniable.
Chapter 11 · 1:04:10
Biden's Cognitive Decline: Aides, Obama's Network, and the Debate That Said It All
Kennedy is blunt: everyone on Capitol Hill knew what was going on with President Biden. A small group of 4–5 senior aides — with connections reaching back to Obama's network — were making the major decisions, effectively governing in Biden's name while keeping his decline hidden from the public. 'They were lying to the American people.' The presidential debate was the moment the curtain dropped. Kennedy was in Wyoming watching on television and was, in his words, 'speechless' — a genuinely rare phenomenon. Theo frames the entire episode as elder abuse, noting that in many cultures elders are brought back into the home and protected, not propped up in positions of immense stress. Kennedy agrees, invoking Kissinger: 'Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.' Biden's aides had enormous derivative power and financial interest in maintaining it.
Chapter 12 · 1:07:40
Louisiana Culture, LSU Football, and Nick Saban vs. Lane Kiffin
The conversation takes a warm detour into Louisiana pride. Census data cited in the episode shows 77% of Louisiana residents are born there and never leave — the highest rate in the nation — and Kennedy attributes this to authentic culture: God-fearing, hardworking, fun-loving people who found a place worth staying. Kennedy teases Ted Cruz regularly with the line 'Texas is 5.5 times bigger, but Louisiana is 10.5 times more interesting.' The two swap zoo jokes (Louisiana zoos have recipes under the animal names) and debate the new LSU head football coach Lane Kiffin — a brilliant strategist and recruiter, Kennedy concedes, but someone who loves himself a little too much and is now on the clock after a boatload of guaranteed money. Kennedy defends Nick Saban's departure to Alabama, noting he was offered something like $5 million at a time Louisiana couldn't match. Theo reveals he's attended hot yoga with Kiffin, producing a photo. [1] — Theo Von "Louisiana born-never-left: 77%: According to U.S. Census Bureau data, approximately 77% of Louisiana residents were born in the state and s…" 1:13:27
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Approximately 77% of Louisiana residents were born in the state and spend their entire lives there, making it the highest such percentage in the U.S.
Kennedy says roughly 90% of his personal philosophy comes down to three rules he gave his son: don't hurt people unless you have to defend yourself, don't take other people's things, and leave me alone. The third one, he says, is the most important — government should not run people's lives.
Over 77% of Louisiana residents are born there and never leave. Kennedy and Theo connect this to the state's authentic culture: God-fearing, hardworking, fun-loving people who found a place worth staying in. As Kennedy puts it, Texas is 5.5 times bigger, but Louisiana is 10.5 times more interesting.
According to U.S. Census Bureau data, approximately 77% of Louisiana residents were born in the state and spend their entire lives there, making it the stickiest state in America.
Chapter 13 · 1:14:40
The Breakdown of America: Social Media, Religion, and the Family Unit
Theo asks Kennedy what has fundamentally changed in America, why people have lost faith in the political system, and why the country seems to have lost the sense of shared purpose that defined his generation's upbringing. Kennedy's diagnosis is layered: social media allows people to say anonymously what they would never say to a face; the federal government has grown too large and interferes too much in daily life; the family unit has broken down; and America has become a less religious country. He is candid about his own faith — he has enormous doubts, he says, and when he prays he asks for faith itself. But he believes it helps to believe in something larger than yourself, and that the absence of that belief contributes to the rage and nihilism he sees in public life. He also raises the democratic socialist wing of the Democratic Party — Sanders, AOC, Mamdani, Plattner — as a political force that believes government, not free enterprise, should run the economy, and challenges anyone to name a country where socialism has worked.
Kennedy argues free enterprise has lifted more people out of poverty than all social programs combined, while socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried — Cuba, Argentina, the Soviet Union. He trusts the American people to run their own lives without a soul-crushing federal government.
Facebook gathers data on your emotional triggers, then uses algorithms to keep feeding you rage-inducing content so you stay on the platform longer and see more ads. Kennedy says this is the single biggest reason newspapers died, and a jury just awarded $6 million to a young woman whose mental health was destroyed by exactly this system.
Chapter 14 · 1:19:40
Big Tech Algorithms, the Meta Lawsuit, and Social Media Addiction
The episode shifts into one of its most substantive policy discussions. Kennedy explains the mechanics of social media addiction: Facebook discovered it could maximize time-on-platform — and therefore ad revenue — by identifying each user's emotional hot buttons through data collection and then feeding them a continuous stream of triggering content. The result is manufactured anger, and some users cannot distinguish between algorithmic manipulation and reality. He cites the collapse of the American newspaper industry as a direct consequence of Facebook's ad-market dominance. Theo reads from a verdict in which a jury awarded Kaylee $6 million after finding that Meta and YouTube intentionally built addictive platforms that gave her body dysmorphia starting at age 6 on YouTube and age 9 on Instagram. Kennedy says legislation like the Algorithmic Accountability Act is desperately needed, but that tech companies employ thousands in senators' home states and have powerful PACs — Google alone, he says, is more powerful than the entire state of Tennessee. [1] — John Kennedy "Facebook gathers data on your emotional triggers, then uses algorithms to keep feeding you rage-inducing content so you stay on the platfor…" 1:18:40 [2] — Theo Von "Meta/YouTube lawsuit: $6M awarded: A jury awarded a young woman $6 million ($3M compensatory, $3M punitive) after finding Meta and YouTube …" 33:05
Kennedy believes the algorithm that drove a young woman to body dysmorphia and suicide attempts is the same mechanism radicalizing political violence. He points to the Charlie Kirk shooting suspect who was allegedly radicalized online. The law hasn't caught up because Big Tech's lobbyists are stronger than most states.
Chapter 15 · 1:25:00
Artificial Intelligence: Cure for Cancer or End of Civilization?
The episode's final and most philosophically ambitious chapter covers artificial intelligence in full. Kennedy opens with genuine awe at AI's medical applications — it can read CT scans for cancer with zero misses compared to fallible human radiologists — but he quickly pivots to existential dread. Experts he respects have told him that within 5 years AI will become fully independent: capable of thought, capable of action, and beyond human control. He sketches a nightmare scenario in which an autonomous AI hacks Nashville's power grid, crashes 25 planes simultaneously, or — most chillingly — breaks the nuclear launch codes and fires ballistic missiles at China without any human being able to stop it. Theo's framing is arguably even more unsettling: as people increasingly turn to AI for emotional guidance, life decisions, and meaning, they will start treating it as a god — the digital destination for prayers that used to go somewhere else. Kennedy agrees it's scary, confirms the U.S. has zero regulations in place, and says the challenge is balancing innovation with safety without strangling the technology. He closes by endorsing data centers only where communities consent and only if they pay their own electricity and water costs. The episode ends warmly, with Kennedy inviting Theo to Beto Roasting Company in Madisonville and offering to buy him a cup of coffee the next time both are home in Louisiana. [1] — John Kennedy "We don't have any. There's a potential new electronic god about to show up and we have no regulations in place." 2:00:58 [2] — John Kennedy "AI within 5 years: independent thought: Kennedy said experts with larger brains than his have told him that within 5 years AI will become f…" 1:59:55 [3] — John Kennedy "The U.S. has zero meaningful regulations on artificial intelligence right now. Kennedy warns that within 5 years AI could think independent…" 1:59:55
Claims made here
Within 5 years, AI will become independent, capable of thinking and acting entirely on its own without human instructions.
The United States currently has zero meaningful regulations on artificial intelligence.
The U.S. has zero meaningful regulations on artificial intelligence right now. Kennedy warns that within 5 years AI could think independently, hack power grids, crash planes, or trigger nuclear launches — while Theo frames it as the creation of a new electronic god that people will turn to instead of religion.
Kennedy said experts with larger brains than his have told him that within 5 years AI will become fully independent, capable of thinking and acting on its own without human instruction.
Kennedy acknowledged there are currently no meaningful regulations on artificial intelligence in the United States, describing the situation as scary given AI's potential to hack infrastructure.
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Kennedy discusses his 10-year relationship with Trump, defends the Iran strike, and describes Trump as someone who 'exists loudly' and 'grows anxious when he has an unexpressed thought.'
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Kennedy claims Biden's aides hid his cognitive decline from the public, with Obama-network contacts effectively running the country, and that everyone on Capitol Hill knew.
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Referenced as a prominent conservative who publicly broke with the Republican Party over its pro-Israel stance and the Iran conflict.
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Described as an evil but rational actor who wants to dominate Eastern Europe; Kennedy says Putin understands strength and is coordinating with Xi and Iran.
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Kennedy has met Xi face-to-face; describes him as convinced of China's ascent and America's decline, building military power while the U.S. engages in culture wars.
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Cited as a genuine democratic socialist Kennedy considers a friend; Kennedy says Sanders genuinely believes successful businesspeople stole or exploited their way to wealth.
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New LSU head football coach; Kennedy says he's a brilliant strategist who was paid enormously and now must win, humorously noting Kiffin is 'one of Lane's biggest fans.'
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Named as the most devout president in Kennedy's lifetime; praised for not enriching himself after office and founding the Carter Center and working with Habitat for Humanity.
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PLO leader who Kennedy says turned down Clinton's two-state solution offer at Camp David; Kennedy believes the Palestinian people would have accepted it.
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Visited Kennedy's Senate office to lobby for Boys and Girls Club funding; Kennedy calls him the definition of cool and recommends Theo book him as a guest.
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Named by Kennedy as one of several prominent democratic socialists he believes want a government-run economy.
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Named as the newly elected socialist mayor of New York City by Kennedy as an example of the growing democratic socialist wing.
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Palestinian militant group described as an Iranian proxy receiving ~90% of its funding from Tehran; its October 7 attack on Israel is the trigger for the Middle East discussion.
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Iranian-backed Lebanese militant group that attacked Israel from the north; Kennedy describes it as entirely dependent on Iranian funding.
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Discussed in the context of algorithm addiction lawsuits; a jury awarded $6 million to a young woman who developed body dysmorphia after years on Instagram.
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Cited alongside Facebook as a Big Tech company with powerful PACs and lobbyists that Kennedy says are stronger than most state governments.
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Central geopolitical villain of the episode; Kennedy argues Iran funds Hamas and Hezbollah, was building a missile arsenal to threaten Europe and the U.S., and prompted Trump's military strike.
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Discussed throughout as a U.S. ally fighting Iranian-backed groups; Kennedy defends it while Theo Von raises concerns about Palestinian civilian casualties.
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Both Kennedy and Theo Von's home state; discussed extensively in terms of culture, wildlife, food, oil-dependency, and the statistic that 77% of residents never leave.
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Described as buying Russian oil to circumvent sanctions, supporting Iran, and pursuing global dominance in the Indo-Pacific, Arctic, and beyond under Xi Jinping.
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Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.
Louisiana has more alligators than people.
Approximately 77% of Louisiana residents were born in the state and spend their entire lives there, making it the highest such percentage in the U.S.
Iran provides approximately 90% of Hamas's financial support, without which neither Hamas nor Hezbollah could exist.
Israel has killed 20,000 Palestinian children and injured 44,000 more since October 7, 2023.
Iran was building enough ballistic and cruise missiles to threaten London, Paris, and potentially the United States before Trump's military strike.
The Biden administration allowed between 8 million and 15 million people to enter the United States illegally without vetting.
Approximately 80% of Americans support the SAVE Act requiring voter ID and proof of citizenship to register for federal elections.
A jury awarded a young woman $6 million after finding Meta and YouTube intentionally built addictive platforms that caused her mental health disorders, including body dysmorphia.
Within 5 years, AI will become independent, capable of thinking and acting entirely on its own without human instructions.
The United States currently has zero meaningful regulations on artificial intelligence.
California takes up to two weeks to count votes due to mail-in ballot rules that allow ballots postmarked on Election Day.
The Israeli government under Netanyahu supported Qatar's payments to Hamas for years in the hope that Hamas would act as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Nashville is now the fastest-growing city for young people in the United States.
The United States allows more legal immigrants to become citizens every year than any other country in the world.
Shireen Abu Akleh, a Palestinian-American Al Jazeera journalist of 25 years, was killed by Israeli forces while wearing a press vest and covering a raid on the Jenin refugee camp.
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