Podbit · Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Guys spend their whole lives trying to defeat lust and never get to the harder stuff. Lust is actually the easy one. Once the porn goes, suddenly you're face-to-face with anger, cruelty, emotional unavailability — the vices that were hiding behind it the whole time.
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At 21:02 · chapter starts 21:00
Joe Alto delivers the episode's most counterintuitive insight: the YouTube self-improvement space treats lust as the final boss, but it's actually one of the easier things to fix. [1] — Joe Alto "For me, you know, once I got over porn, I started — and I'm still, like, trying to figure out all the deeper shit that makes me a piece of …" 21:17 Once the porn is gone, you find out what was underneath. For Joe, it was rage — constant anger, yelling, a wrath problem he hadn't had the bandwidth to even notice while porn was consuming all the mental real estate. Matt picks up the thread: it wasn't until he had kids that he started taking the question of his own anger seriously, because an apartment-level incident becomes a household-level incident when your kids are watching. The conversation circles to a shared insight: porn is a node in a larger network of maladaptive coping. Cut the node and you start to see the network. That's the real work — and most men never get there because they spend their whole lives just trying to address the lust piece.
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