Podbit · 2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer
Bert Kreischer's resting heart rate was 79 bpm in January, around the time he had a blood clot. Six months of sobriety later, it's in the low 50s. He shows Tom the Whoop sleep data too: a flat, uninterrupted line that looks almost medically perfect.
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Tom frames Julian's belt moment as an accidental litmus test for healthy childhood: because Julian had never been hit, he found the concept of being beaten genuinely incomprehensible — and therefore absurd. [1] — Tom Segura "Tom Segura's son Julian watched the Michael Jackson biopic and was confused by Joe Jackson beating Michael. He had never been hit, so he th…" 54:51 He wanted a belt not to understand abuse but to parody it. Tom sees the joke as proof his son grew up safely. Bert counters with LeeAnn's switch story: as a child, LeeAnn had to go pick her own punishment instrument from the yard. She explained this to Isla, then as a thought experiment asked her to go find a switch. Isla returned with something flimsy. When they explained that bringing an inadequate switch meant a parent would go find one — and it wouldn't be what you wanted — Isla immediately asked if there was any leftover lumber. The chapter also touches on Tom's happy coincidence that he got hairier-looking after weight loss (his hair simply moved closer together) and the conversation that Bert's sobriety-driven self-awareness is a new and sometimes unsettling development at age 53.
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Bert Kreischer's resting heart rate dropped from 79 bpm in January to the low 50s after getting sober and exercising, a significant cardiovascular improvement over six months.
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