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Marc Andreessen and Chris Dixon: What’s at Stake in Crypto Regulation

Explore episode Aug 1, 2026
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The Banking System Still Runs on COBOL — Blockchains Are the Upgrade

Marc Andreessen and Chris Dixon: What’s at Stake in Crypto … · Aug 1, 2026 Business

Major banks still run on COBOL code bases too intertwined to upgrade independently. Blockchains give the entire financial industry a unified coordination layer to modernize together. Every major institution — Goldman, Fidelity, BlackRock, JPMorgan — has significant live deployments ready to scale with regulatory clarity.

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Stablecoins and Deposit Flight: The JPMorgan Standoff

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Hackett turns to one of the most contentious specific battles within the bill: the treatment of stablecoin interest. JPMorgan Chase has been the most vocal opponent, worried that if consumers can earn interest on stablecoin holdings, they'll move money out of traditional bank accounts, triggering deposit flight. Dixon reports the outcome: in the current bill text, stablecoin issuers cannot pay interest on balances or anything 'functionally or economically similar' to a bank account. What is permitted is reward structures more analogous to credit card points — such as Walmart giving back tokens for twice-monthly stablecoin purchases. The banks, Dixon notes, essentially got what they asked for, and yet appeared to want still more. Going further would start banning things like Starbucks rewards points. Hackett surfaces the fascinating irony: JPMorgan has a major blockchain unit with live tokenized deposit deployments, making their public opposition to the bill's stablecoin provisions more about competitive positioning than principled resistance to the technology.

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