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#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

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Religion & Spirituality
Moses, DMT, and the Burning Bush

#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg,… · Sep 19, 2025 Religion & Spirituality

Israeli scholars have proposed that when Moses received the Ten Commandments, he may have been on a DMT-like experience from the Egyptian acacia plant — which contains DMT and grows throughout the Sinai. Moses' group had been fasting, alcohol-free, in the desert for days, effectively a psychedelic retreat. The burning bush vision and the commandment 'thou shalt not kill' may both reflect a trauma-processing trip.

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Where this was said

Stoned Sapiens – Drugs in human history

At 3:16:00 · chapter starts 2:54:09

Stoned Sapiens starts 1.5 million years ago with Homo erectus in the Great Rift Valley, where khat (a natural amphetamine plant) was available and the species was developing its capacity for persistence hunting through sweat. When Homo sapiens nearly went extinct with only ~1,500 individuals, consciousness became the survival mechanism — and Ohler proposes that 100,000+ years of iboga use in the Central African rainforest, where elephants were observed eating the psychoactive plant, may have stimulated the frontal cortex expansion that created that consciousness. A Columbia University researcher describes iboga as 'a spa for neurons' that interacts everywhere in the brain simultaneously — a 'neurotechnology of the 22nd century.' The book will also cover the Minoan culture in Crete, whose wealth Ohler traces to olive oil and opium trading through a massive harbor he found while swimming on vacation, positioning the Minoans as the original drug dealers of Europe.

Science
Iboga and the Dawn of Human Consciousness

#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg,… · Sep 19, 2025 Science

Homo sapiens nearly went extinct when their population fell to around 1,500 individuals. As they migrated through the Central African rainforest — where elephants were observed eating iboga and behaving strangely — over 100,000 years of potential iboga use may have stimulated the frontal cortex expansion that created human consciousness. A Columbia neuroscientist describes iboga as 'a spa for the neurons' that interacts everywhere in the brain simultaneously.

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