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678. Who Gets to Choose a “Good Death”?

Explore episode Jun 19, 2026
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Suzanne O'Brien: What a Death Doula Actually Does

678. Who Gets to Choose a “Good Death”? · Jun 19, 2026 Health & Fitness

Death doulas are trained in medical terminology and disease progression but focus on emotional support, education, and presence — acting as the eyes and ears for hospice teams that can only visit for one hour a week. O'Brien's Doula Givers Institute has trained over 400,000 people in 39 countries.

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Al Roth on Living Well and Aging With Intention

At 41:43 · chapter starts 39:35

The mood briefly lightens as Dubner checks in on Roth himself — 74, cycling to the Stanford campus, in good health. Roth reflects that his extensive thinking about organ donation has made him a committed deceased donor, and that moving to California in 2012 prompted him and his partner to consider what aging in place might look like: they made sure the bathrooms were big enough and the house could easily be made wheelchair accessible. It's a small, practical insight into how an economist thinks about future-proofing a life. Dubner then makes a rare personal disclosure: his sister died the previous year, a 'pretty rotten death' in which she wanted to hasten the end but they couldn't physically orchestrate it. The experience, he says, made him think that almost anyone who encounters a bad death firsthand might immediately become a supporter of MAID. Roth agrees: an aging population means more people have now witnessed a peer's agonizing death, and he expects support to grow.

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