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#483 – Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex

Explore episode Oct 14, 2025

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Lies and scams

At 51:59 · chapter starts 51:51

The Tinder Swindler case is dissected in detail: the con man matched with women on Tinder, rapidly love-bombed them with romantic gestures and flights to Paris, then extracted loans by manufacturing emergencies. Shaw's interviewee Cecilia lost significant sums of money and took out family loans before realizing the deception. Shaw uses this case to make the universal point that fraud is not about targeting gullible people — it works because the con is tailored to what each person most wants to hear. The most dangerous evolution of this, both agree, is AI-enabled love fraud: the ability to ingest a target's online presence and craft a perfectly optimized romantic narrative at scale. Shaw's concern is not just financial — she worries these scams leave victims unable to be vulnerable again, eroding their capacity for genuine intimacy. The episode briefly notes that coercive control within real relationships operates on the same psychological levers as scams: controlling finances, weaponizing love, manufacturing emergencies.

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