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The Collapse of American Politics - Ezra Klein - #1114

Explore episode Jun 22, 2026

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What Does Deregulation Actually Mean?

At 59:40 · chapter starts 53:53

Williamson poses the sharpest policy question of the episode: how do you explain the difference between Klein's deregulation and Musk's around a dinner table? Klein's answer is disarmingly simple: deregulation means removing rules; the question is always whether the specific rules you are removing serve your goals. Tesla was built on government tax credits; California subsidised the entire EV market into existence; an Obama-era loan guarantee saved Tesla from bankruptcy. SpaceX's revenues depend on NASA contracts. Musk's project — indiscriminate cutting without a theory of what to build — is self-defeating and the opposite of what created him. Klein then applies this logic to housing: Mamdani's Block by Block plan is a deregulation plan, but its goal is to make affordable housing cheaper to build. The absurdity it is trying to fix is a case where government rules designed to raise standards have made it two to four times more expensive to build publicly subsidised affordable housing than market-rate housing — producing Washington DC units costing $1.2 million each. The abundance question is always: what do you want more of, and how do you get it? Rules are tools, not ideologies.

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Deregulation Isn't Owned by the Right — It Depends on the Goal

The Collapse of American Politics - Ezra Klein - #1114 · Jun 22, 2026 Business

Tesla exists because of government subsidies and Obama-era loan guarantees. SpaceX runs on NASA contracts. Musk's DOGE-style deregulation — cutting indiscriminately without a theory of what to build — is the opposite of what made those companies possible. Real abundance thinking asks: what do we want more of, and how do we get it?

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