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Charles & Chase Koch on How They Quietly Built a $150B Empire

Explore episode May 12, 2026
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Values First, Skills Second, Credentials Last — and a CIO Who Painted Parking Lots

Charles & Chase Koch on How They Quietly Built a $150B Empi… · May 12, 2026 Business

Koch's talent philosophy explicitly ranks credentials last. Their current CIO, Jared Benson, first touched Koch Industries by painting stripe lines in a parking lot. No college degree. Twenty years later, he spotted the cybersecurity wave, built the company's entire cyber defense capability, and now runs IT for a $150B enterprise. Credentials are a proxy. Contribution is the real signal.

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