Planet Money

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Can computer hackers get inside your mind?

Explore episode Jun 17, 2026

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Unanswered Questions: Who, Where, and Why 'Carry On'?

At 28:15 · chapter starts 26:04

Despite their breakthrough, Jags and the Planet Money team are left with three enduring mysteries. First: was Iran definitely the target? North Korea also had active nuclear ambitions in the mid-2000s, but Jags is confident the circumstantial evidence all points to Iran — no similar cyber sabotage has ever been documented against anyone else in that era. Second: who built it? It has Stuxnet-like fingerprints — widely attributed to the US and Israel — but no one has confirmed this. Planet Money reached out to the NSA, CIA, and Israeli Defense Forces; none confirmed, none denied, and the IDF never responded. Jags's own check-in with the intelligence community before publication met no resistance — which he reads as confirmation that 20-year-old secrets don't need protecting. Third: why did the NSA write 'nothing to see here, carry on' about FAST16 in their own detection tool? Was it a genuine misdirection to protect an allied operation? A wink from the agency? One day, declassification may answer all three.

Government
The NSA Knew — And Wanted Nobody Else To

Can computer hackers get inside your mind? · Jun 17, 2026 Government

The NSA's own malware detection tool included FAST16 — but instead of a standard 'pull back' warning, it simply said 'nothing to see here, carry on.' The agency apparently didn't deny authorship to Jags either, reportedly signaling: this is 20-year-old history, not a secret worth protecting now.

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