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#661 - John Kiriakou

Explore episode Jun 5, 2026
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Guantanamo: Started as a Smart Idea, Became a 24-Year Nightmare

#661 - John Kiriakou · Jun 5, 2026 Government

The original plan for Guantanamo was to hold detainees temporarily while the FBI determined which federal court would try them. Someone in Dick Cheney's office — likely David Addington — suggested that since detainees had no rights in Cuba, they could simply be held there indefinitely. Twenty-four years later, 34 people remain.

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CIA Interrogation Without Training: The Early Days in Pakistan

At 1:05:00 · chapter starts 59:55

One of the episode's most surprising revelations: the CIA had zero trained interrogators when they began capturing al-Qaeda suspects. Kiriakou was simply told to 'interrogate' a prisoner with no training, no rules, and no guidance on what was even permissible. He describes reading the al-Qaeda training manual in real time and watching prisoners perform every scripted resistance technique described in it — fainting, moaning, pretending to lose consciousness. He and his Pakistani counterpart alternated between good cop and bad cop. The first prisoner, a Jordanian with brain damage from the bombing, told the complete truth on the grounds that lying would do him no good — and then invited Kiriakou to convert to Islam. The second raid captured two 19-year-old Tunisian kids who burst into tears and begged to call their mothers. Eventually the Rawalpindi Jail was completely full.

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AIPAC Doesn't Register as a Foreign Agent — But Kiriakou Had To for $5,000

#661 - John Kiriakou · Jun 5, 2026 Government

Kiriakou earned $5,000–$6,000 writing op-eds for the Abu Dhabi Chamber of Commerce and was required by law to register as a foreign agent. AIPAC spends tens of millions of dollars influencing U.S. elections on behalf of Israel and has never had to register. Kiriakou calls this a glaring and inexplicable double standard.

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