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Clint Smith: Make America What It Set Out to Be

Explore episode Jul 3, 2026
Government
America's Narrow Storytelling Is a Power Move

Clint Smith: Make America What It Set Out to Be · Jul 3, 2026 Government

The administration isn't just being selective about history out of nostalgia — it's a deliberate power move. If people don't know why one neighborhood in D.C. looks different from another, they assume inequality is the natural order of things rather than the result of deliberate policy. Controlling the story is how you control the present.

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Steelmanning the DEI Critique — and Why This Isn't It

At 42:40 · chapter starts 39:00

Tim Miller poses a genuine challenge: setting aside the racist bad actors, isn't there a legitimate argument that some DEI programs metastasize into administrative overhead while the actual goal — hiring and promoting more Black employees — gets lost? Smith takes the question seriously, agreeing that a thorough, good-faith audit of what DEI programs are actually achieving would be legitimate. But he draws a sharp distinction between that hypothetical exercise and what is actually happening. The administration's anti-DEI effort, he argues, is not a policy audit — it's a structural campaign. Drawing on Adam Serwer's reporting, Smith makes the case that the executive branch is attempting to reconstitute Jim Crow: building a federal, military, and corporate infrastructure that treats Black people as incapable of serving in positions of authority and systematically removes or bars them from those positions. He acknowledges that this framing would have felt hyperbolic to him a few years ago, but argues that the policy record, taken as a whole, is no longer ambiguous about the intent.

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