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Maggie Haberman: A Gross and Messy White House

Explore episode Jul 1, 2026

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Smithsonian, Amy Sherald, and Trump's Culture War

At 28:40 · chapter starts 27:40

The conversation turns to one of the book's most striking chapters: how Trump's cultural campaign extended to the Smithsonian. Lindsey Halligan, an insurance lawyer who became a White House staffer, visited a Smithsonian museum, saw something she didn't like, and flagged it internally. This ultimately led to Trump demanding the firing of National Portrait Gallery director Kim Sajet, issuing executive orders about museum content, and pressuring Lonnie Bunch — the Smithsonian's first Black secretary and founder of the African American History Museum — over his institutions' exhibitions. Haberman recounts a pivotal scene at the Smithsonian Board of Regents' June 9th meeting, where a 30-something aide to Vance named Ben Moss pulled out an iPad and showed an image of Amy Sherald's trans-themed painting (based on a trans model) to the assembled regents — including Chief Justice John Roberts — and declared it was 'not what Americans want to see.' The episode, Haberman says, is unlike any directive from a White House to a cultural institution she can recall.

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