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198. Trump's War On Europe: No Way Back?

Explore episode Jun 22, 2026

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How to Handle Trump: Joe Scarborough's Playbook

At 12:00 · chapter starts 9:45

Scarborough draws on a conversation he had with Paul Ryan when Ryan became Speaker, warning him that Trump hates weakness above all else. Ryan, focused on policy, didn't listen — and Scarborough shook his head. The lesson for Andy Burnham and any European leader dealing with Trump is the same: be tough. Don't bow down. When Trump insults you, let it roll off, but never capitulate. Scarborough is emphatic that flattery doesn't work — he's tried it, and it fails. What does work is the Meloni approach: stand your ground, and Trump will eventually come around, or at least privately respect you. For Burnham specifically, there's an added domestic dimension: like Republicans facing US midterms, he needs to show he actually cares about working people — which for a Labour leader may require being more pro-business than is comfortable.

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Meloni Proves Defiance Works

198. Trump's War On Europe: No Way Back? · Jun 22, 2026 News

Giorgia Meloni was supposed to be Trump's most devoted European ally. When she pushed back publicly, Italy's far-right press ran banner headlines calling Trump an asshole — and her poll numbers soared. Defiance delivered what deference never could.

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