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Grant Achatz (award-winning chef)

Explore episode Jul 15, 2026
Health & Fitness
Tasting Without a Tongue: Running Alinea Through Cancer

Grant Achatz (award-winning chef) · Jul 15, 2026 Health & Fitness

With no ability to taste during treatment, Achatz built a vocabulary of comparison — 'as acidic as a pickle, as sweet as a Dairy Queen cone' — to direct his top three chefs. He showed up to the restaurant every day through chemo and radiation. The cancer forced him to relinquish control and, in doing so, made him a better leader.

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Stage IV Tongue Cancer: Diagnosis and Treatment

At 46:32 · chapter starts 42:30

For three to four years, Achatz's tongue felt perpetually sore — like a bitten tongue that wouldn't heal. Dentists attributed it to the stress of opening a restaurant and raising two young children, missing the diagnosis seven or eight times. By the time it was caught at age 32, stage IV cancer had consumed nearly three-quarters of his tongue and metastasized to both sides of his neck. Five major hospitals delivered the same verdict: remove the tongue entirely, dissect both neck sides. Faced with the prospect of never being able to taste, speak, or chew again — and unable to communicate with his staff or run his business — Achatz was at a crossroads. 'Maybe I should just die,' he recalled thinking. But the University of Chicago offered a clinical trial he could join, and the combination of chemotherapy and radiation — which radiated him from collarbone to nose and caused his throat lining to shed like a snake's skin — ultimately worked.

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