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True Crime
The Epstein Files — What Vance Really Thinks

#2526 - JD Vance · Jul 15, 2026 True Crime

Vance calls himself an 'OG Epstein conspiracy theorist' and believes there is a broader story but cannot prove it. The critical failure point was the 2007 Alex Acosta prosecution, which was too narrow to capture the full conspiracy. Whatever evidence existed from the 1990s and early 2000s — the peak of Epstein's power — was likely destroyed or never gathered.

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The Epstein Files — Vance Admits the Communications Were Botched

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Vance begins with an admission: the administration 'absolutely screwed up the comms of the Epstein files.' He blames Pam Bondi for overpromising what was in the binders, generating a backlash that undermined the entire release effort. He then goes deep: 6 million documents were collected, 3 million deemed responsive, all released with narrow court-ordered exceptions. But the original sin, he argues, was the 2007 Alex Acosta investigation — which was deliberately too narrow to capture the broader conspiracy, meaning anything that existed from Epstein's peak influence period (the 1990s and early 2000s) was either never gathered or subsequently destroyed. He identifies two under-discussed Epstein theories: that Epstein's tax scheme work for ultra-wealthy clients (including Les Wexner) gave him financial leverage over people, not just sexual leverage; and that Epstein's death in 2019 coincided suspiciously closely with the beginning of the end of academic censorship. He also notes Epstein appeared more connected to the Israeli center-left than to the Israeli right — which he finds 'fascinating.' Vance closes by confirming Donald Trump was the person who reported Epstein to the Palm Beach police, per the released files.

Science
UFOs: VP Has Access, Just No Time

#2526 - JD Vance · Jul 15, 2026 Science

Vance has effectively unlimited access to classified UFO files as VP but hasn't had time to investigate. He floated a theological theory: a malicious, super-powerful, human-like extraterrestrial being that tortures humans is functionally indistinguishable from a demon, drawing on millennia of cross-cultural religious precedent. He promises to investigate within 2.5 years.

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