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Ada Palmer – Machiavelli is the most misunderstood thinker of all time

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Why popes became warlords

At 36:03 · chapter starts 23:58

Ada Palmer explains how geographic proximity made Italians see popes as ordinary power-hungry men. Wealth accumulation, prisoner's dilemma dynamics, and generational corruption drove the papacy toward militarism.

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Why Popes Became Warlords

Ada Palmer – Machiavelli is the most misunderstood thinker … · Jun 16, 2026 History

Every generation left wealth to the church. Wealthier church meant more political power. More power meant more incentive for ambitious families to buy their sons into it — right down to Machiavelli's family debating the right-sized bribe for his brother's priesthood. The papacy wasn't corrupted by bad people; it was corrupted by a structural trap nobody could escape.

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