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Hochul: MAID as the Opening of a Broader Conversation
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The episode brings its threads together as Dubner relays O'Brien's observation — that modern people have lost the communal skill of ushering someone into death — to Hochul. The governor agrees readily: opening the MAID door may catalyze a broader awakening about how society approaches death, quality of life, and personal dignity. She envisions legislation leading to a more honest cultural reckoning with mortality. On a more practical note, Hochul reveals a specific frustration: she has been asking New York medical schools why they aren't teaching non-opioid pain management, and she never gets a good answer — but she keeps asking. It's a brief, revealing moment of gubernatorial persistence in the face of institutional inertia.
