China Decode: Why China Got Locked Out of SpaceX and America’s Biggest IPOs (ft. Ed Elson)

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The Nuclear Analogy: China Will Build Powerful AI — Then What?

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Ed Elson leans into the nuclear-AI analogy that Dario Amodei has publicly championed, using the historical precedent of the nuclear arms race to argue that trying to prevent China from developing powerful AI is futile. The US built the bomb; the USSR and China figured it out anyway. Yet mutual assured destruction has kept nuclear weapons from being used for 80 years. Applied to AI: China will inevitably achieve frontier capabilities. The question is whether a similar deterrence dynamic emerges, and what US policy should look like in a world where China has AI as capable as or more capable than anything the US has built. Elson is struck by the absence of this question in Washington's current policy debate, which remains fixated entirely on prevention. Alice Han agrees, adding that this is ultimately a multipolar trap — each player's dominant strategy is to maximize their own AI capabilities, making mutual restraint structurally impossible.