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Adam: Can Dave Talk Me Into a New Toyota Sienna?
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Adam presents his case thoughtfully: household income of $180,000, no car payment on his Tesla Model Y, wife's Nissan Rogue totaled, kids in tow, and he needs a capable all-wheel-drive towing vehicle. His only justification for buying new is that used models seem similarly priced. Dave takes approximately 30 seconds to search online and finds 2024 Toyota Siennas ranging from $41,000 to $45,000 — roughly $10,000 less than a new equivalent. [1] — Dave Ramsey "Adam convinced himself that used Toyota Siennas cost almost as much as new ones. Dave looked it up mid-call and found 2024 models for $42,0…" 1:52:50 The core lesson that follows is about rationalization: wealthy people don't ask 'how close to the edge of dumb can I get and still build wealth?' They stay far from the edge. Dave and Rachel then have a spirited live debate about Dave mentioning his $600-million building and several hundred million dollars in net worth to explain why he personally buys new cars — Rachel argues the Baby Steps millionaires in the Ramsey research prove the system works without that context being necessary.
Ann is 71, living on $2,297/month, and trapped because her ex won't leave or cooperate with selling the marital home. Dave and Rachel lay out the ugly truth: she may need a judge, a price drop, and a sense of urgency to avoid the house going into foreclosure.
The house sold for $25,000 less than its appraised value because a non-professional agent — a friend of a friend — listed it too cheap. Dave says honor the contract but fire the agent, and always use a Ramsey Trusted real estate agent for high-stakes transactions.
Adam convinced himself that used Toyota Siennas cost almost as much as new ones. Dave looked it up mid-call and found 2024 models for $42,000–$45,000. The lesson: rationalization is the enemy of wealth — and a $10,000 mistake is still a $10,000 mistake.
Dave admits he buys new cars and invokes his net worth to justify it — Rachel argues that's not relatable to listeners. The real point: the Baby Steps millionaires who followed this advice didn't need a $600 million building to prove it works.
Dave Ramsey's research of 10,000 millionaires found that wealthy people typically drive used cars — often 2 to 10 years old — and don't buy new vehicles until they have at least $1 million in net worth.
