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Luigi Mangione’s shifting defense strategy. A victim’s lover takes the stand. Plus, Keith Morrison's new podcast.

Explore episode Jun 25, 2026

Well, can you see her? No, we can only see a small square inch of flesh. Well, then you don't know it's her. You're right, Kristina, but she's the only one missing, so we're pretty sure it's her.

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Luigi Mangione’s shifting defense strat…

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It is really unbelievable that there's somebody who essentially, lightning would strike twice. Like, that she would be somebody whose wife is murdered in cold blood. I mean, he's young. They're just starting their lives together. And then decades later, almost essentially the same thing happens.

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He said, but when he talks about Ella, the fact that she was killed by somebody with whom she was supposed to have been the safest, her spouse, that is the one that really angers him because that's the place where you're supposed to be safe.

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She even told her adult son, hey, if something happens to me — here's where you need to look.

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An Alford plea, for anybody who's listening, it's basically acknowledging that the prosecution has enough evidence to convict you without actually pleading guilty to it or taking responsibility.

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The detective was very clear — he was like, you know, this is somebody who always wanted to be the smartest person in the room.

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One of the things that really struck me from this story that we see so often is victims speaking through their own words from before they died. And this was a really good example of a victim who had big concerns and kind of knew that something might happen.

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They do believe that perhaps the tipping point or what set him off was Ella finally being about to leave and him getting upset and flying into a rage and killing her. Or she said something to the effect of, I'm leaving you. I'm divorcing you. Or he found that out in some way, and that's what sent him over the edge.

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