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Maggie Haberman: A Gross and Messy White House

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Rubio Is Having the Time of His Life

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Having personally observed Rubio in the White House's Upper Press area, Haberman reports that he is constantly in and out of Caroline Levitt's office and 'looks like he is having the time of his life.' This contrasts sharply with the first term's reluctant adults — John Kelly and Jim Mattis, both of whom considered Trump dangerous and found his worldview detestable. Rubio, by contrast, rarely travels internationally despite being Secretary of State because he believes he needs to be physically near Trump. And the reason for that, Haberman explains, is that the entire government is run by six to eight people depending on the issue. If you're not in the room with Trump, you have no idea what is happening at the State Department, the Pentagon, or the CIA.

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Rubio Is Having the Time of His Life

Maggie Haberman: A Gross and Messy White House · Jul 1, 2026 Government

Stop looking for a John Kelly or Jim Mattis in this White House. Rubio is constantly in the West Wing, in and out of the press secretary's office, and by Haberman's eyewitness account, loving every minute of it. He's dual-hatted as Secretary of State and National Security Advisor specifically because he wants to be near Trump — not to restrain him.

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