S8 EP3: Andrew Callaghan on the ‘cancelverse’, lizard people, and whether he’s being sued by Melania Trump

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Digital Media, Generation Alpha, and Short-Term Doom

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The conversation turns to the systemic question underlying everything Callaghan covers: how do you hold the tech platforms accountable when the harmful thing they're doing isn't visible? It's not dramatic footage of a burning building — it's sterile offices and plausible businesspeople tweaking engagement algorithms. Theroux wonders whether phones might eventually need to be regulated like cigarettes. Callaghan thinks the change will come from social pressure rather than government authority — a kind of digital siesta culture — but his real theory is more generational. Gen Z, he argues, is the first and worst-served test generation for lifelong digital immersion ^{[1] — Andrew Callaghan "I tend to think that we're doomed in the short term and that future generations will have to learn from the mistakes of the previous ones." 1:23:07 Play} . But Gen Alpha, raised by parents too distracted by devices to be present, will look at the smartphone with the same horror that Gen X looks at cable TV. The anti-tech generation won't be the one that grew up with it — it'll be the one that lost their parents to it. Callaghan is resigned about the near term but structurally optimistic about the century.