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Not All Roman Emperors Are Visible | Claudius (Part 1)

Explore episode Jun 22, 2026

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He's Clapped

At 19:03 · chapter starts 18:56

Fin Taylor delivers the episode's most quotable moment: Claudius's own mother, Antonia the Younger, describing her son as 'an abortion of a man that had only been begun but never finished by nature.' Horatio notes this would still land as schoolyard cruelty in the 1990s. Grandmother Livia outdoes even that: she reportedly could not even look her grandson in the eye, so profound was her shame. Fin reads the exact quote — 'I pray aloud that the Roman people might be spared so cruel and undeserved a misfortune as to have him as their emperor' — which Horatio recognises is an extraordinary thing for a grandmother to say. Both hosts agree there is something grimly funny about the cruelty being entirely sincere rather than strategic. Fin adds empathy: his own Presbyterian grandmother was similarly brutal. The segment closes on the observation that women in ancient Rome wielded enormous informal power, and generally weaponised it for dark ends.

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