Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

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Edward Norton Returns Again

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Jim Rouse: The Grandfather Who Predicted Suburban Sprawl

At 10:38 · chapter starts 7:58

Dax's curiosity about Jim Rouse opens one of the episode's richest veins. Norton describes a grandfather who was orphaned as a teen, lived a Huck Finn existence on the Chesapeake Bay, hustled pool and played poker so well he never touched his Navy pay, and wore fishing lures in his hat to serious meetings without any trace of irony. Rouse became one of America's most influential urban thinkers — taught at Harvard, on the cover of Time magazine — and gave Frank Gehry one of his first commissions in 1967, a building still displayed in Gehry Architects' lobby today. On Eisenhower's Housing Commission in the 1950s, Rouse predicted that the interstate highway system would drive suburban sprawl and hollow out American cities — a phrase he's credited with helping popularize. His solution: revitalize downtown marketplaces like Baltimore's Inner Harbor, Boston's Faneuil Hall, and New York's South Street Seaport. He gave almost all his money to the Enterprise Community Partners low-income housing organization.

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