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Neil deGrasse Tyson On Aliens, Simulation Theory, and What Happens Inside A Black Hole

Explore episode Jul 9, 2026

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How Understanding the Universe Can Change Your View of Religion

At 19:22 · chapter starts 16:19

Steven Bartlett challenges Tyson on whether studying the universe has made him more or less religious. Tyson responds that by age 8, traditional religious narratives weren't making sense to him — but he later concluded that belief systems don't need to make sense in a testable way; that's precisely what makes them belief systems. He read religious tracts specifically so he could engage with believers on their own terms rather than dismissing them. When pressed on whether he's an atheist, Tyson firmly rejects the label. He notes that 'atheist' is unusual as words go — it defines someone by what they're not, similar to inventing a word for 'non-golfers.' Titles, he argues, are lazy: they give you license to stop thinking about a person. He reserves particular criticism for Richard Dawkins' combative The God Delusion framing, positioning himself as someone who engages with religion's power and complexity rather than waging war on it.

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