The School of Greatness

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The Grief Expert Who Discovered a Sixth Stage | David Kessler

Explore episode Aug 10, 2026

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Finding Meaning: Personal and Universal

At 11:58 · chapter starts 8:10

Lewis pushes Kessler on the personal dimension: who were you before your son's death, and who are you now? Kessler's answer is layered — he appreciates the temporariness of life more intensely, has stripped away illusions of control, and now focuses his power on how he experiences each moment and what he chooses to say yes or no to. He shares the striking observation that his son's funeral was packed, and that his son did not know how loved he was — which became a catalyst for Kessler to express love to living people rather than only at funerals. He traces the reason it's so hard for people to express love while others are alive: we suppress all emotions or we let all in — there's no selective filtering. His grief groups, he notes, were the most laughing rooms at every conference, because allowing the full range of grief expands the full range of joy. He also reveals that the path to the sixth stage was gradual — approximately two years after his son died, glimpses of returning to life began.

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