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547. The Truth About Russian Oil, Net Zero, and North Sea Drilling

Explore episode Jun 24, 2026

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Rory and Alastair Debrief: Trade-Offs, Trump, and the Communication Problem

At 53:20 · chapter starts 50:23

With Jørgensen gone, Rory and Alastair engage in what is arguably the most intellectually honest exchange of the episode. Rory Stewart's verdict is uncomfortable: the reason the green transition argument is losing public ground is not a conspiracy by Trump or the far right — it is because ordinary businesses and households sense that the 'green energy is cheap energy' narrative doesn't fully add up. He notes that a German industrialist listening to Jørgensen would be tearing their hair out. Alastair Campbell pushes back hard: a Business Breakthrough Barometer survey shows 92% of European business leaders see competitive advantage in the renewables approach; the political problem is not the economics but the right-left polarisation of the debate, exploited by figures like Richard Tice and the Reform Party. He is also critical of Tony Blair's recent signals on North Sea drilling, despite praising the Tony Blair Institute's climate papers as among the best Jørgensen has read. The exchange ends with Rory calling for global solutions — taxing embedded carbon in imports from China — and Alastair insisting that dismissing the 1% European contribution as futile is itself part of the problem.

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