The Joe Rogan Experience

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#2520 - Tommy Lee

Explore episode Jun 30, 2026

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Audiobooks, Multitasking Myths, and David Goggins

At 1:27:27 · chapter starts 1:18:50

The conversation meanders productively through reading versus listening, multitasking myths, and the philosophy of elite endurance. Joe is a committed audiobook listener because he can't find the time to sit and read, but he's honest that you lose the imaginative aspect of reading where your brain creates all the voices. Tommy prefers audio because reading tires his eyes and he loses focus. Joe then introduces David Goggins — the Navy SEAL ultramarathon runner who completed eight 100-mile races on eight consecutive weekends, totaling 800 miles, all without music. Goggins calls using music cheating because mental strength should be self-generated. Joe's response is characteristically honest: 'I like to cheat. I need that extra energy.' Tommy gets it: when you're trying to run 100 miles on bone-on-bone knees, you probably don't want any distractions from the mental battle happening inside.

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David Goggins Calls Music During Workouts 'Cheating'

#2520 - Tommy Lee · Jun 30, 2026 Sports

David Goggins completed 8 consecutive weekends of 100-mile ultramarathons — 800 miles total — without ever listening to music. His reasoning: music is cheating because mental strength should come from your brain, not a playlist. Joe's response: I'll cheat. Give me the music.

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