Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast

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Ep 622 - Am-I.Film (feat. Milo Reed)

Explore episode Jun 30, 2026

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Roman Yampolskiy vs Ben Goertzel: Two Expert Poles on AGI

At 59:00 · chapter starts 58:50

Two researchers anchor opposite ends of the AI futures spectrum. Roman Yampolskiy — recently on Joe Rogan and interviewed for the documentary — states flatly that we have already unlocked the technology to build superintelligent systems, they have no reason to keep humans alive, and our extinction probability is around 99.9%. Ben Goertzel, living off-grid in Vancouver and connected to researchers worldwide, is working as fast as possible toward AGI because he believes it will print anything you want, deliver virtual realities, and produce something like a permanent DMT parade. Both have been thinking about this for 30 years. Both are deadly serious. The cognitive dissonance of holding both positions in mind simultaneously is, Milo suggests, the only honest place to stand.

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