The Bill Simmons Podcast

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Part 1: USA’s World Cup Collapse, Basebrawls, Jets Optimism, Life in The G-League and ‘The OC’ 20 Years Later | with Gabe York and Zoe Simmons

Explore episode Aug 7, 2023

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The OC with Zoe Simmons

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The episode's warmest segment is also its sharpest piece of TV criticism. Zoe Simmons, born a year and a half after The OC premiered, watched Season 1 as the family rewatched for a Prestige TV podcast project and immediately loved it. Her diagnostic on why: modern TV tries too hard. It shoves in too many plot lines, too many types of characters, too many elements because executives don't trust audiences to stay engaged with a simple, well-executed premise. The OC had a simple premise — outsider boy moves into rich neighborhood, falls for girl next door — and it trusted that premise completely. Zoe's character rankings are definitive: Seth is everyone's favorite, Summer had the best arc from villain to scene-stealer, Ryan and Marissa are both terrible actors though Marissa's obliviousness is the show's most reliable source of anger. They discuss the Oliver plotline (infuriating but effective), the pregnancy arc (a creative mistake but one that produced the Jeff Buckley finale montage), Adam Brody's squandered post-OC film career due to the season's 27-episode schedule, and the pre-smartphone world the show captures that Zoe finds genuinely wistful — a time before plans were over-organized and social life had mystery. The conversation closes on Zoe's current TV landscape: Euphoria (which she distinguishes as a different category), Stranger Things (stalled by the writers' strike), and a landscape that leaves her hungry for exactly the kind of show she's been binge-watching from 2003.

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