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Neil deGrasse Tyson On Aliens, Simulation Theory, and What Happens Inside A Black Hole

Explore episode Jul 9, 2026

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Why Aliens Might Communicate With Other Earth Creatures First

At 50:50 · chapter starts 48:19

Tyson unpacks what 'intelligent life' actually means in a cosmic context, and the answer is uncomfortably complicated. By absolute brain mass, humans are fourth. By brain-to-body ratio, we top the mammal list — but not the bird list, with magpies and parrots exceeding us. Whales aren't building telescopes, but they might be considered intelligent by alien standards. Technology adds yet another layer: the Roman Empire had no electricity, computers, or radio receivers, so any alien signal sent to Earth 2,000 years ago would have gone entirely undetected — and they certainly weren't building spaceships. So 'intelligent life that can communicate across space' and 'intelligent life that has civilisation' are much narrower categories than 'intelligent life' alone. The operational definition matters enormously when asking whether we've been contacted or contacted others.

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