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Why Everyone Is Drowning In Debt (and how to get out) - Caleb Hammer - #1123

Explore episode Jul 13, 2026

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The Best Way to Handle Anxious Guests

At 39:14 · chapter starts 36:14

Chris asks what it looks like inside a guest's head as Caleb pushes hard on their finances. Caleb describes the tell: when someone goes flat-faced and blank-eyed, he shifts immediately from yelling to quiet checking in, pausing cameras, doing breathing exercises. He's proud that their exhaustive onboarding process — which veterans of shows like Dr. Phil have called unlike anything they've seen — means full panic attacks are now rare. The conversation then turns unexpectedly personal when Caleb reveals he rented a private jet to try to overcome a decade-long fear of flying, broke down in tears on it, and realised much of what he was feeling was grief about all the places he hadn't visited and family he hadn't seen because of the phobia. Chris offers a story about his friend who overcame flight anxiety in a single hypnotherapy session, and both men sit with the strangeness of Caleb having built a show that gives other people panic attacks while managing his own. He's now working with a panic therapist and has a game plan.

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