Multiple plastic surgeons, reconstructive surgery nurses, and fashion industry professionals independently identified the charred object found in Charlie Kirk's SUV as his burned polyester shirt fused with necrotic skin.
Blake Neff Blacks Out On 9/10. Andrew Kolvet Comes Clean About Netanyahu. | Ep 359
Andrew Kolvet's own tweet accidentally confirmed that Charlie Kirk declined to have Netanyahu on his show — the exact claim Candace Owens has been making for months.
Candace
Blake Neff Blacks Out On 9/10. Andrew Kolvet Comes Clean About Netanyahu. | Ep 359
Andrew Kolvet's own tweet accidentally confirmed that Charlie Kirk declined to have Netanyahu on his show — the exact claim Candace Owens has been making for months.
TL;DR
Candace Owens investigates the death of Charlie Kirk, presenting viewer emails from plastic surgeons and fashion experts who believe a charred object found in Charlie's SUV was his burned polyester shirt [1]. She interrogates Blake Neff's fuzzy memory about his whereabouts on September 10, the day Kirk was shot [2], and traces banking connections between Danny Philip, Tyler Boyer, and Bank of America Merrill Lynch [3]. Andrew Kolvet's tweet inadvertently confirms Owens' account that Netanyahu was declined for Kirk's show [4]. Key takeaway: corroboration from multiple independent experts and Kolvet's own words keep building Owens' case.
Blake Neff says he doesn't remember where he was on 9/10, we receive emails from a plastic surgeons about what they believe was Charlie's shirt found in the back of the SUV, Network Contagion Research Institute releases another hit piece on me, and Andrew Kolvet concedes that they declined to have Netanyahu on the show.
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The episode opens with Candace Owens teeing up what she calls a highly prepped show, given the coordinated 'all-out assault' by Turning Point USA affiliates trying to distract from the investigation into Charlie Kirk's death. She previews three main storylines: the flood of professional emails identifying the mysterious burned object in Kirk's SUV, Blake Neff's bizarre memory blackout about his September 10 whereabouts, and Andrew Kolvet's tweet that — despite intending to discredit Owens — ends up confirming her story. Owens sets a confident, almost combative tone: she's just returned from vacation feeling 'refreshed' and sees the frantic energy from the Turning Point camp as evidence the investigation is closing in.
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After releasing additional photos of the interior of Charlie Kirk's SUV, Candace Owens was flooded with emails from an unexpected cross-section of experts: stay-at-home mothers who sew, fashion industry professionals, and plastic and reconstructive surgery nurses — all independently concluding that the charred, cardboard-like object is Kirk's burned polyester shirt [1] — Candace Owens "A plastic surgery nurse and multiple fashion experts independently told Candace Owens the charred object found in Charlie Kirk's SUV is his…" 03:20 . She reads one particularly detailed email from a surgical nurse who explains the physical science: polyester is essentially plastic, and when an electrical current passes through it, the fabric melts, hardens into a rigid form, and bonds to the skin beneath it. Removing it in a clinical setting requires a procedure called debridement. The black visible on the object, the nurse explains, is necrotic burned skin — described viscerally as 'burning a piece of chicken skin.' Owens and her team then conducted a makeshift experiment, burning a 50/50 polyester-blend shirt in a fire pit and photographing the result. The visual match to the object in Kirk's SUV, while not perfect given the difference between a fire pit and an explosion, was close enough to stun even Owens herself.
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Candace Owens turns her focus to Blake Neff, who she describes as one of the most vocally committed voices insisting no one investigate Kirk's death outside the federal narrative. When Neff tweeted a dismissal of her reporting on UVU's military-affiliated MASH center, Owens found it suspicious — because Neff's own background before Fox News included supporting war gaming exercises for the Marine Corps. She then plays audio of Neff on an X Space, where a questioner walks him through the morning of September 10 step by step: he flew privately with Kirk to Salt Lake City, got into the second of two rented SUVs, and then... can't remember where it went [1] — Blake Neff "In a live X Space, Blake Neff is asked repeatedly where he went after getting off the plane with Charlie Kirk. He says 'we drove somewhere'…" 14:00 . Pressed repeatedly, Neff can only say they 'drove somewhere' to 'mark time' — he doesn't remember who drove, who else was in the car, or where they ended up. Owens treats this as one of the most damning moments of the investigation, noting that it is not every day you fly on a private jet to a city you've never visited, and most people would remember every detail of such a trip.
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The morning's most startling investigative revelation begins with Danny Philip — Charlie Kirk's fresh-out-of-college assistant who graduated from Ohio State just months before the September 10 events. Owens notes that Mikey McCoy's call logs show Philip received calls both immediately before and for ten minutes after Kirk was shot, a strange detail for a 21-year-old new hire [1] — Candace Owens "Danny Philip's grandfather Thomas Patrick was executive vice chairman of Merrill Lynch for 25 years and a major Turning Point USA donor. Hi…" 20:40 . Digging into Philip's background, Owens discovers that his grandfather is Thomas Patrick, the former executive vice chairman and CEO of Merrill Lynch who worked there for 25 years before being ousted in 2003 for allegedly orchestrating a political smear campaign against Eliot Spitzer. Thomas Patrick was also a major Turning Point USA donor — and in 2019, personally emailed Owens claiming Charlie Kirk was lying to her about money, a move she now believes was designed to drive a wedge between them. The web deepens: Philip's father Steven Philip and Tyler Boyer's father were both senior executives at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in Chicago simultaneously, and both had Russian studies backgrounds. Owens also connects Erica Kirk's cousin Dennis Franzpey to the same Bank of America Merrill Lynch Chicago network. She closes the segment by noting that Bank of America settled with Jeffrey Epstein victims in March 2025 for approximately $79 million after allegedly moving $170 million to Epstein through its management of associate Leon Black's wealth.
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The NCRI — the same organization that previously argued 'Christ is King' is antisemitic during Lent — published a new report on the first day of the Tyler Robinson trial, timing that Owens argues is far from coincidental. The report, titled 'Permission to Kill,' features the word 'kill' in red lettering and a gunsight graphic, and claims Owens built a 'digital assassination culture' targeting Erica Kirk by calling her a psychopath on Sean Ryan's show [1] — Candace Owens "The Network Contagion Research Institute released a report titled 'Permission to Kill' on the very first day of the Tyler Robinson trial, a…" 32:55 . Owens methodically dismantles the double standard: Blake Neff called her a 'knife-wielding psychopath on the subway,' yet no report was written about that. She points out that Andrew Kolvet's former partner Johnny Moore sits on the NCRI board. Most provocatively, she theorizes that this coordinated campaign — pairing social media suppression of independent journalists with prepared legal infrastructure — resembles the post-9/11 playbook: manufacture a crisis event, then use it to justify expanded government control of speech. She states emphatically that Charlie Kirk himself was strongly opposed to the idea that speech equals violence.
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In what Owens frames as a corporate-wide crash-out, Andrew Kolvet posted a tweet calling Owens a liar — and in doing so, confirmed the two most important facts she had been claiming since September: that Charlie Kirk politely declined to have Netanyahu on the show, and that Kirk later took a call from Netanyahu after writing him a letter [1] — Candace Owens "Andrew Kolvet tweeted to call Candace Owens a liar, then in the same tweet conceded that Charlie Kirk declined to have Netanyahu on his sho…" 42:10 . Owens has maintained this story without changing a word since she first reported it, attributing it to Kolvet as her source. She walks through the psychology of Kolvet's tweet: he accuses her of lying, then immediately validates the core truth, essentially arguing she was right about the setup but fabricated the conclusion. Owens isn't buying it. She argues that everything she reported — the Hampton Summit, Netanyahu's offer, Charlie saying no — came directly from Kolvet himself, and has since been corroborated by a family friend of Kolvet's who confirmed he complained about losing income when Kirk declined. She closes the segment by calling Kolvet 'the Judas of the story,' accusing him of ten months of cowardly silence while publicly knowing Kirk feared for his life, had turned against Israel, and had texted the night before his death that he was done.
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Owens wraps with a comment segment that quickly turns analytical. The top comment from the previous episode — 'No one called 911, but someone called Ben Shapiro' — sparks a deeper look at Frank Turek's changing FaceTime story [1] — Candace Owens "Frank Turek's story — that he was FaceTiming his adult sons in the audience so they could watch Charlie Kirk speak from an amphitheater — m…" 47:40 . Owens argues at length that no grown military man FaceTimes his adult sons into an amphitheater just to watch a Charlie Kirk Q&A; the story is implausible on its face, and Turek has repeatedly contradicted himself on whether the feed was active during the shooting. She speculates the live stream was intentional and was being monitored by someone beyond his sons. Other comments affirm the investigation's value and note that 'they're not even good at lying' — even a 12-year-old listener caught it. Owens then delivers a reflective close, tying the Kirk investigation to a broader global awakening around corruption, faith, and political manipulation. She teases a major revelation for tomorrow about Ben Shapiro's lunchtime whereabouts on September 10, thanks her team (including a producer who spent the morning burning shirts), and invites listeners to support the show through merch and the book club.
- debridement
- A medical procedure to remove damaged, dead, or infected tissue — referenced in the episode when describing how a melted polyester shirt fused to a burn patient's skin must be surgically removed.
- polyester
- A synthetic plastic-based textile fiber that melts and hardens when exposed to heat, rather than burning cleanly — central to the hypothesis that the charred object in Kirk's SUV is his shirt.
- necrotic
- Relating to necrosis, the death of body tissue due to injury or disease — used by the plastic surgery nurse to describe the black charred skin visible on the burned object.
- NCRI
- Network Contagion Research Institute — a nonprofit that studies online extremism and disinformation; cited in the episode for publishing a report accusing Owens of building a 'digital assassination culture.'
- HELOC
- Home Equity Line of Credit — a revolving credit line secured against a home's equity with a variable interest rate, contrasted in the sponsor read with the fixed-rate 'Smart Equity Loan.'
- executive vice chairman
- A senior corporate officer role just below chairman level, typically overseeing major strategic or operational divisions — the title held by Thomas Patrick at Merrill Lynch.
- limited hangout
- An intelligence/PR tactic where a small, damaging truth is voluntarily disclosed to deflect attention from a larger secret — Owens uses the term to describe Frank Turek's partial admission about the FaceTime call.
- X Space
- A live audio conversation room hosted on the social platform X (formerly Twitter) — the format in which Blake Neff made his comments about September 10.
- Black Sea Rotational Force
- A U.S. military rotational deployment to the Black Sea region — mentioned in the episode in connection with Erica Kirk's cousin Dennis Franzpey's military service before he joined Bank of America.
- propolis
- A resinous substance produced by bees to seal and protect their hives, used in natural health products for its antioxidant and antimicrobial properties — referenced in the Beekeeper's Naturals sponsor segment.
- tallow
- Rendered animal fat, typically from beef, used in traditional skincare for its fatty-acid profile that closely resembles human skin lipids — central to the Nimi Skincare sponsor segment.
- reticent
- Unwilling to speak openly or reveal information; here used to describe Blake Neff's reluctance to name Danny Philip as his companion in the SUV.
- smear campaign
- A coordinated effort to damage someone's reputation through false or misleading information — Thomas Patrick was accused of orchestrating one against Eliot Spitzer while at Merrill Lynch.
- digital assassination
- A term used in the NCRI report to describe coordinated online attacks that allegedly incite real-world violence — Owens disputes the NCRI's application of this concept to her commentary on Erica Kirk.
- Zionists
- Supporters of the political movement for a Jewish homeland in Israel — used by Owens to describe individuals who she claims were pressuring Charlie Kirk over his public positions on Israel.
Chapter 2 · 01:45
Emails about the potential burned item found in the car
After releasing additional photos of the interior of Charlie Kirk's SUV, Candace Owens was flooded with emails from an unexpected cross-section of experts: stay-at-home mothers who sew, fashion industry professionals, and plastic and reconstructive surgery nurses — all independently concluding that the charred, cardboard-like object is Kirk's burned polyester shirt [1] — Candace Owens "A plastic surgery nurse and multiple fashion experts independently told Candace Owens the charred object found in Charlie Kirk's SUV is his…" 03:20 . She reads one particularly detailed email from a surgical nurse who explains the physical science: polyester is essentially plastic, and when an electrical current passes through it, the fabric melts, hardens into a rigid form, and bonds to the skin beneath it. Removing it in a clinical setting requires a procedure called debridement. The black visible on the object, the nurse explains, is necrotic burned skin — described viscerally as 'burning a piece of chicken skin.' Owens and her team then conducted a makeshift experiment, burning a 50/50 polyester-blend shirt in a fire pit and photographing the result. The visual match to the object in Kirk's SUV, while not perfect given the difference between a fire pit and an explosion, was close enough to stun even Owens herself.
Claims made here
When polyester is heated by electrical current, it melts and hardens like cardboard, can fuse to human skin, and must be surgically removed via a procedure called debridement.
Multiple plastic surgeons, nurses, and fashion industry professionals independently emailed Owens insisting the charred object found in Charlie Kirk's SUV was his burned polyester shirt, not cardboard.
A plastic surgery nurse and multiple fashion experts independently told Candace Owens the charred object found in Charlie Kirk's SUV is his burned polyester shirt fused with necrotic skin. Polyester is plastic — it melts under electrical current, hardens like cardboard, and bonds to the skin beneath it.
A plastic surgery nurse emailed Owens explaining that polyester is essentially plastic and when burned by electrical current it hardens and chars, sticking to and ripping skin off during removal.
Chapter 3 · 11:41
Blake Neff's 9/10 memories get fuzzy
Candace Owens turns her focus to Blake Neff, who she describes as one of the most vocally committed voices insisting no one investigate Kirk's death outside the federal narrative. When Neff tweeted a dismissal of her reporting on UVU's military-affiliated MASH center, Owens found it suspicious — because Neff's own background before Fox News included supporting war gaming exercises for the Marine Corps. She then plays audio of Neff on an X Space, where a questioner walks him through the morning of September 10 step by step: he flew privately with Kirk to Salt Lake City, got into the second of two rented SUVs, and then... can't remember where it went [1] — Blake Neff "In a live X Space, Blake Neff is asked repeatedly where he went after getting off the plane with Charlie Kirk. He says 'we drove somewhere'…" 14:00 . Pressed repeatedly, Neff can only say they 'drove somewhere' to 'mark time' — he doesn't remember who drove, who else was in the car, or where they ended up. Owens treats this as one of the most damning moments of the investigation, noting that it is not every day you fly on a private jet to a city you've never visited, and most people would remember every detail of such a trip.
Claims made here
Blake Neff supported war gaming exercises for the Marine Corps before being removed from that position following racist commentary.
Blake Neff was aboard the private jet with Charlie Kirk to Salt Lake City on September 10, and the second SUV — which Neff was in — drove to an unknown location to 'mark time.'
Blake Neff supported war gaming exercises for the Marine Corps before being removed from that position following racist commentary, giving him a military-strategy background.
Blake Neff flew privately with Charlie Kirk to Salt Lake City on September 10, got into a second SUV — and claims he cannot remember where it went, who drove it, or who was with him. He says they just 'marked time' in an unknown location while Kirk went to his final interview.
Blake Neff, who flew on the private jet with Charlie Kirk to Salt Lake City on September 10, claims he cannot remember where the second SUV went or who was in it with him.
In a live X Space, Blake Neff is asked repeatedly where he went after getting off the plane with Charlie Kirk. He says 'we drove somewhere' and 'why would I remember?' — unable to recall the driver, passengers, or destination on the day of Kirk's death.
Chapter 4 · 16:38
The banking family connections and who tried to cause a riff with me and Charlie
The morning's most startling investigative revelation begins with Danny Philip — Charlie Kirk's fresh-out-of-college assistant who graduated from Ohio State just months before the September 10 events. Owens notes that Mikey McCoy's call logs show Philip received calls both immediately before and for ten minutes after Kirk was shot, a strange detail for a 21-year-old new hire [1] — Candace Owens "Danny Philip's grandfather Thomas Patrick was executive vice chairman of Merrill Lynch for 25 years and a major Turning Point USA donor. Hi…" 20:40 . Digging into Philip's background, Owens discovers that his grandfather is Thomas Patrick, the former executive vice chairman and CEO of Merrill Lynch who worked there for 25 years before being ousted in 2003 for allegedly orchestrating a political smear campaign against Eliot Spitzer. Thomas Patrick was also a major Turning Point USA donor — and in 2019, personally emailed Owens claiming Charlie Kirk was lying to her about money, a move she now believes was designed to drive a wedge between them. The web deepens: Philip's father Steven Philip and Tyler Boyer's father were both senior executives at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in Chicago simultaneously, and both had Russian studies backgrounds. Owens also connects Erica Kirk's cousin Dennis Franzpey to the same Bank of America Merrill Lynch Chicago network. She closes the segment by noting that Bank of America settled with Jeffrey Epstein victims in March 2025 for approximately $79 million after allegedly moving $170 million to Epstein through its management of associate Leon Black's wealth.
Claims made here
Danny Philip graduated from Ohio State University in May 2025 and was hired almost immediately as Charlie Kirk's personal assistant.
Mikey McCoy was on the phone with Danny Philip just before Charlie Kirk was shot at 12:02 and for ten minutes after the shooting.
Thomas Patrick was executive vice chairman and CEO of Merrill Lynch for 25 years before being ousted in 2003 for allegedly orchestrating a political smear campaign against Eliot Spitzer.
Bank of America acquired Merrill Lynch in 2008 following the financial crisis.
Danny Philip's father Steven Philip worked at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in Chicago at the same time as Tyler Boyer's father, and both had Russian studies backgrounds.
Bank of America settled with Jeffrey Epstein victims in March 2025 for approximately $79 million after allegedly moving $170 million to Epstein while managing the wealth of Epstein associate Leon Black.
Danny Philip graduated from Ohio State in May 2025 and was hired almost immediately as Charlie Kirk's personal assistant. He was on the private jet that morning, and Mikey McCoy's call logs show he was on the phone with Philip both before and after Kirk was shot.
Danny Philip, Charlie Kirk's assistant who was on the jet that morning, had only graduated from Ohio State University in May 2025 — just months before Kirk's death.
Mikey McCoy was on the phone with Danny Philip just before Charlie Kirk was shot at 12:02, and again for ten minutes after the shooting — despite Philip being a 21-year-old newly hired assistant.
Thomas Patrick spent 25 years rising to executive vice chairman at Merrill Lynch before being ousted in 2003 for orchestrating a political smear campaign. He was a major Turning Point USA donor who personally emailed Owens in 2019 claiming Charlie Kirk was lying to her about money — and his grandson is Danny Philip.
Danny Philip's grandfather Thomas Patrick was executive vice chairman of Merrill Lynch for 25 years and a major Turning Point USA donor. His father Steven Philip and Tyler Boyer's father were both senior executives at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in Chicago — at the same time, in the same department.
Thomas Patrick, a former executive vice chairman and CEO of Merrill Lynch and major Turning Point USA donor, is the grandfather of Danny Philip — Charlie Kirk's assistant on September 10.
Thomas Patrick was unceremoniously removed from his position as executive vice chairman of Merrill Lynch in 2003 for allegedly orchestrating a political smear campaign against Eliot Spitzer.
Following the 2008 financial crisis, Bank of America acquired Merrill Lynch, creating Bank of America Merrill Lynch — the firm where multiple Turning Point-connected figures' fathers worked simultaneously in Chicago.
Irina Mappin, who attended Charlie Kirk's memorial event, privately told Candace Owens she was disturbed by how many Russian speakers were in the VIP section. Owens connects this to Tyler Boyer, Elizabeth McCoy's Ukrainian family, and Rob McCoy adopting a girl from Russia.
Bank of America settled with Jeffrey Epstein victims in March 2025 for approximately $79 million after allegedly moving $170 million to Epstein while managing the wealth of his associate Leon Black. Owens ties this to the same banking network connected to Turning Point USA figures.
Bank of America settled a lawsuit with Jeffrey Epstein victims in March 2025 after allegedly moving $170 million to Epstein through its management of associate Leon Black's wealth.
Chapter 5 · 32:31
More attacks from the NCRI
The NCRI — the same organization that previously argued 'Christ is King' is antisemitic during Lent — published a new report on the first day of the Tyler Robinson trial, timing that Owens argues is far from coincidental. The report, titled 'Permission to Kill,' features the word 'kill' in red lettering and a gunsight graphic, and claims Owens built a 'digital assassination culture' targeting Erica Kirk by calling her a psychopath on Sean Ryan's show [1] — Candace Owens "The Network Contagion Research Institute released a report titled 'Permission to Kill' on the very first day of the Tyler Robinson trial, a…" 32:55 . Owens methodically dismantles the double standard: Blake Neff called her a 'knife-wielding psychopath on the subway,' yet no report was written about that. She points out that Andrew Kolvet's former partner Johnny Moore sits on the NCRI board. Most provocatively, she theorizes that this coordinated campaign — pairing social media suppression of independent journalists with prepared legal infrastructure — resembles the post-9/11 playbook: manufacture a crisis event, then use it to justify expanded government control of speech. She states emphatically that Charlie Kirk himself was strongly opposed to the idea that speech equals violence.
Claims made here
The NCRI's 'Permission to Kill' report was published on the first day of the Tyler Robinson trial and accused Candace Owens of building a digital assassination culture targeting Erica Kirk.
Johnny Moore, Andrew Kolvet's former partner, sits on the NCRI board and was on the board when both the 'Christ is King is antisemitic' report and the 'Permission to Kill' report were published.
The Network Contagion Research Institute released a report titled 'Permission to Kill' on the very first day of the Tyler Robinson trial, accusing Owens of building a 'digital assassination culture' by calling Erica Kirk a psychopath on Sean Ryan's show. Owens notes Johnny Moore — Andrew Kolvet's former partner — sits on NCRI's board.
The Network Contagion Research Institute published a report titled 'Permission to Kill' accusing Candace Owens of building a 'digital assassination culture' targeting Erica Kirk, released on the first day of the Tyler Robinson trial.
Chapter 6 · 39:36
Andrew Kolvet concedes some info about Netanyahu
In what Owens frames as a corporate-wide crash-out, Andrew Kolvet posted a tweet calling Owens a liar — and in doing so, confirmed the two most important facts she had been claiming since September: that Charlie Kirk politely declined to have Netanyahu on the show, and that Kirk later took a call from Netanyahu after writing him a letter [1] — Candace Owens "Andrew Kolvet tweeted to call Candace Owens a liar, then in the same tweet conceded that Charlie Kirk declined to have Netanyahu on his sho…" 42:10 . Owens has maintained this story without changing a word since she first reported it, attributing it to Kolvet as her source. She walks through the psychology of Kolvet's tweet: he accuses her of lying, then immediately validates the core truth, essentially arguing she was right about the setup but fabricated the conclusion. Owens isn't buying it. She argues that everything she reported — the Hampton Summit, Netanyahu's offer, Charlie saying no — came directly from Kolvet himself, and has since been corroborated by a family friend of Kolvet's who confirmed he complained about losing income when Kirk declined. She closes the segment by calling Kolvet 'the Judas of the story,' accusing him of ten months of cowardly silence while publicly knowing Kirk feared for his life, had turned against Israel, and had texted the night before his death that he was done.
Claims made here
Andrew Kolvet's own tweet conceded that Charlie Kirk politely declined to have Netanyahu on his show and later took a call from Netanyahu after Kirk wrote him a letter.
Charlie Kirk texted the night before his death that he was done with Israel, and had declined to have Netanyahu on his podcast.
Tax Network USA has been operating for more than 15 years and has resolved over $1 billion in tax debt.
Andrew Kolvet's own tweet conceded that Charlie Kirk politely declined to have Netanyahu on his show — the central claim Candace Owens had been making since at least September.
Andrew Kolvet tweeted to call Candace Owens a liar, then in the same tweet conceded that Charlie Kirk declined to have Netanyahu on his show and later took a call from him. Owens has maintained this exact story since September without changing a word.
Charlie Kirk texted the night before his death that he was done with Israel. He had already declined to have Netanyahu on his podcast. Owens argues this ideological shift away from the pro-Israel cause is at the heart of why he was targeted.
Charlie Kirk texted the night before his death that he was 'done with Israel,' and had declined to have Netanyahu on his show, signaling a major shift away from pro-Israel positions.
Sponsor Tax Network USA has helped taxpayers nationwide for more than 15 years and has resolved over $1 billion in tax debt.
Chapter 7 · 47:06
Comments
Owens wraps with a comment segment that quickly turns analytical. The top comment from the previous episode — 'No one called 911, but someone called Ben Shapiro' — sparks a deeper look at Frank Turek's changing FaceTime story [1] — Candace Owens "Frank Turek's story — that he was FaceTiming his adult sons in the audience so they could watch Charlie Kirk speak from an amphitheater — m…" 47:40 . Owens argues at length that no grown military man FaceTimes his adult sons into an amphitheater just to watch a Charlie Kirk Q&A; the story is implausible on its face, and Turek has repeatedly contradicted himself on whether the feed was active during the shooting. She speculates the live stream was intentional and was being monitored by someone beyond his sons. Other comments affirm the investigation's value and note that 'they're not even good at lying' — even a 12-year-old listener caught it. Owens then delivers a reflective close, tying the Kirk investigation to a broader global awakening around corruption, faith, and political manipulation. She teases a major revelation for tomorrow about Ben Shapiro's lunchtime whereabouts on September 10, thanks her team (including a producer who spent the morning burning shirts), and invites listeners to support the show through merch and the book club.
Frank Turek's story — that he was FaceTiming his adult sons in the audience so they could watch Charlie Kirk speak from an amphitheater — makes no logical sense to Owens. Turek has since contradicted himself multiple times on whether he was on a live feed at the time of the shooting.
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Conservative commentator and Turning Point USA founder whose death Candace Owens is investigating throughout the episode.
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Former Fox News writer who joined Charlie Kirk's team in 2022; Owens plays audio of his evasive X Space responses about his September 10 whereabouts.
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Turning Point USA associate whose tweet inadvertently confirmed Owens' claim that Charlie Kirk declined to have Netanyahu on his show.
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Charlie Kirk's 21-year-old assistant who flew on the private jet to Salt Lake City on September 10; grandson of Merrill Lynch executive Thomas Patrick.
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Charlie Kirk's widow; subject of the NCRI report's framing that Owens' commentary endangered her; Owens disputes her version of events around the Hampton Summit.
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Former executive vice chairman and CEO of Merrill Lynch, major Turning Point USA donor, and grandfather of Danny Philip; emailed Owens in 2019 to claim Kirk was lying to her.
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Turning Point USA figure whose father was a senior executive at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in Chicago at the same time as Danny Philip's father.
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Israeli Prime Minister who called Bill Ackman's house (the Hampton Summit) and whose request to appear on Charlie Kirk's show was declined by Kirk.
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Attendee of Charlie Kirk's final event whose changing story about FaceTiming his adult sons during the speech raises questions for Owens.
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Turning Point USA figure who rented the SUVs in Salt Lake City and whose call logs show he contacted Danny Philip before and after Charlie Kirk was shot.
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Disgraced financier connected to Bank of America Merrill Lynch through associate Leon Black; Owens also raises questions about Erica Kirk's potential connections to Epstein's network.
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Andrew Kolvet's former partner who sits on the NCRI board when the 'Christ is King is antisemitic' and 'Permission to Kill' reports were published.
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Conservative commentator who was reportedly receiving updates while Kirk was supposedly receiving life-saving measures; Owens teases a lead about who Shapiro was at lunch with on September 10.
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Russian-speaking attendee of Charlie Kirk's memorial who told Owens she was disturbed by the unusually high number of Russian speakers in the VIP section.
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Major Epstein associate whose wealth was managed by Bank of America Merrill Lynch, which moved $170 million to Epstein according to the lawsuit.
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Conservative nonprofit co-founded by Charlie Kirk; Owens investigates its internal connections, finances, and the circumstances around Kirk's death.
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Investment and wealth management firm where both Tyler Boyer's father and Danny Philip's father held senior positions in Chicago simultaneously.
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Research institute that published a report titled 'Permission to Kill' accusing Owens of building a digital assassination culture targeting Erica Kirk.
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University where Danny Philip ran the Turning Point USA chapter before graduating in May 2025 and being hired as Charlie Kirk's assistant.
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City where Charlie Kirk's private jet landed on September 10; Blake Neff has no memory of where the second SUV went after landing.
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Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.
Multiple plastic surgeons, reconstructive surgery nurses, and fashion industry professionals independently identified the charred object found in Charlie Kirk's SUV as his burned polyester shirt fused with necrotic skin.
When polyester is heated by electrical current, it melts and hardens like cardboard, can fuse to human skin, and must be surgically removed via a procedure called debridement.
Blake Neff supported war gaming exercises for the Marine Corps before being removed from that position following racist commentary.
Blake Neff was aboard the private jet with Charlie Kirk to Salt Lake City on September 10, and the second SUV — which Neff was in — drove to an unknown location to 'mark time.'
Mikey McCoy was on the phone with Danny Philip just before Charlie Kirk was shot at 12:02 and for ten minutes after the shooting.
Danny Philip graduated from Ohio State University in May 2025 and was hired almost immediately as Charlie Kirk's personal assistant.
Thomas Patrick was executive vice chairman and CEO of Merrill Lynch for 25 years before being ousted in 2003 for allegedly orchestrating a political smear campaign against Eliot Spitzer.
Bank of America acquired Merrill Lynch in 2008 following the financial crisis.
Danny Philip's father Steven Philip worked at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in Chicago at the same time as Tyler Boyer's father, and both had Russian studies backgrounds.
Bank of America settled with Jeffrey Epstein victims in March 2025 for approximately $79 million after allegedly moving $170 million to Epstein while managing the wealth of Epstein associate Leon Black.
Andrew Kolvet's own tweet conceded that Charlie Kirk politely declined to have Netanyahu on his show and later took a call from Netanyahu after Kirk wrote him a letter.
The NCRI's 'Permission to Kill' report was published on the first day of the Tyler Robinson trial and accused Candace Owens of building a digital assassination culture targeting Erica Kirk.
Charlie Kirk texted the night before his death that he was done with Israel, and had declined to have Netanyahu on his podcast.
Tax Network USA has been operating for more than 15 years and has resolved over $1 billion in tax debt.
Johnny Moore, Andrew Kolvet's former partner, sits on the NCRI board and was on the board when both the 'Christ is King is antisemitic' report and the 'Permission to Kill' report were published.