The House passed the housing affordability bill by a 358 to 32 vote.
House Passes Housing Bill, Daily Wire $2B IPO, Knicks Trash Can Lady Fired | PBD Podcast #823
A California billionaire hit with a 5% wealth tax could effectively lose 10%+ of their net worth once capital-gains taxes on forced asset sales are counted — and the panel thinks 50 of 250 CA billionaires will simply leave the state.
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House Passes Housing Bill, Daily Wire $2B IPO, Knicks Trash Can Lady Fired | PBD Podcast #823
A California billionaire hit with a 5% wealth tax could effectively lose 10%+ of their net worth once capital-gains taxes on forced asset sales are counted — and the panel thinks 50 of 250 CA billionaires will simply leave the state.
TL;DR
Patrick Bet-David and the PBD Podcast crew tackle a packed news cycle: the bipartisan Housing Affordability Bill passes 358–32, capping corporate ownership at 350 single-family homes [1] — Patrick Bet-David "The House passed the housing affordability bill 358 to 32, capping corporate ownership at 350 single-family homes. But panel members point …" 08:10 ; California's 5% billionaire wealth tax heads to the November ballot [2] — Patrick Bet-David "Billionaires don't sit on cash — Tom Ellsworth says a typical billionaire holds under $50M liquid on a $1B net worth. To pay the 5% wealth …" 41:43 ; Daily Wire's declining subscribers and $750M valuation raise questions about its IPO viability [3] — Elon Lekakou "Tucker Carlson declared he'd never support the Republican Party, then effectively endorsed JD Vance with Alex Jones just 24 hours later. Th…" 1:15:00 ; Lucid cuts 18% of its workforce as EV adoption falters [4] — Patrick Bet-David "Patrick Bet-David describes watching Tesla's Full Self-Driving navigate to a restaurant without any input from the driver. He's so impresse…" 1:43:00 ; Tucker Carlson's flip-flop on the GOP sparks a sharp panel debate; and Russell Crowe's emotional critique of Gladiator 2 becomes a meditation on moral storytelling. The sharpest takeaway: a California billionaire paying 5% wealth tax may effectively face a 10%+ hit once capital-gains taxes on forced asset sales are factored in.
Patrick Bet-David and the PBD panel cover the bipartisan housing affordability bill, Daily Wire's $2B IPO ambitions, California's billionaire wealth tax, Lucid's EV collapse, Tucker Carlson's Republican flip-flop, Google's A24 investment, and the JPMorgan DEI executive fired for stealing a Knicks trash can.
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The episode kicks off with the panelists riffing on the intro music before Patrick Bet-David launches into a tour of the day's agenda: gas prices touching $3.95 nationally, the Daily Wire's surprising $2 billion IPO ambitions, Google's investment in A24, billionaires fighting their heirs in court, the landmark housing affordability bill, Tucker Carlson's latest political whiplash, California's billionaire wealth tax, Lucid's workforce cuts, and the DEI executive who was fired after stealing a Knicks-branded trash can. Tom Ellsworth gets a warm birthday tribute, and Patrick repeatedly urges viewers to register for a free fatherhood webinar on July 1st at vtwebinar.com, teasing insights on 'six types of fathers' and strategies for raising strong kids in a confusing culture.
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Patrick Bet-David walks through the bill's headline provision: legally barring large institutional investors from owning more than 350 single-family homes nationwide. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "The House passed the housing affordability bill 358 to 32, capping corporate ownership at 350 single-family homes. But panel members point …" 08:10 He notes notable libertarian dissenters — Thomas Massie, Byron Donalds, Rick Scott, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul — who argue the measure interferes with free-market principles. Jeff Snyder provides historical context, explaining that after the 2008 financial crisis banks pulled back on mortgage lending and never returned, leaving Wall Street firms as the only buyers with access to capital. The result: BlackRock bought up thousands of properties in single transactions, driving up prices and squeezing out middle-class families. Tom Ellsworth agrees the measure is well-intentioned but argues the real solution is supply-side reform — cutting permitting timelines, modernizing FHA loan limits, and preserving inspection standards while enabling more construction. Elon Lekakou adds that corporate ownership accounts for only about 3% of the rental market, suggesting the bill's symbolic value may exceed its practical impact.
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Jeff Snyder drops the stat that anchors the conversation: NAR data shows the median first-time homebuyer is now 40 years old. [1] — Jeff Snyder "Median first-time buyer age: 40: The National Association of Realtors found the median age of a first-time homebuyer is now 40, up from 29 …" 18:42 Patrick Bet-David builds on this with a historical analysis showing that the home-price-to-income ratio was 2.3x in 1970 and has ballooned to 5x nationally today — and as high as 13x in the most expensive metro areas. Tom Ellsworth shares a personal story of buying a 1,400-square-foot home in Woodland Hills, California for $205,000 at age 24 in 1986, describing it as 'normal' at the time. The group examines how the average American home size grew from 1,600 to 2,600 square feet over the same period, arguing that the push toward bigger homes priced out the starter-home market. Humberto notes that one in three Americans under 35 now live with their parents. The panel agrees that without accessible starter homes, young families can never build equity, and the homeownership ladder effectively disappears.
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Patrick Bet-David plays a clip of Dave Ramsey explaining the findings of what he calls the largest-ever millionaire study: engineers top the list, accountants are second, teachers are third — a result the panel finds remarkable given teaching salaries. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "Top millionaire career: engineering: Dave Ramsey's survey of 10,167 millionaires found engineers are the most common occupation, followed b…" 26:00 Medical doctors come in at number six, a placement the panelists are not surprised by. Patrick draws on his own experience as a licensed financial advisor (Series 7, 66, and 31 licenses) to say doctors were among the worst-off clients he ever encountered financially, partly because people assume they already know how to manage money. Elon Lekakou recalls that his own mother was a teacher for 40 years and is not independently wealthy, suggesting the teacher result hinges on pension benefits, summer side hustles, and frugal living habits. Jeff Snyder crystallizes the lesson: the defining trait of wealth accumulation is avoiding the 'big down year,' which requires the analytical patience associated with engineering and accounting personalities. Tom Ellsworth adds that 72% of professional fund managers can't beat passive index funds like QQQ or SPY over five years, reinforcing the 'slow and steady' thesis.
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The show breaks for two brief sponsor segments. The first promotes Starbucks Frappuccino grocery drinks with a smooth-jazz-inflected read. The second features the signature Ryan Reynolds voice-over for Mint Mobile, promoting unlimited premium wireless service at $15 per month — a deal the narrator jokes he tried to promote with literal $15 bills before being told that was 'very illegal.'
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Tom Ellsworth presents a key statistic from his Numbers Scream segment: 72% of professional fund managers fail to beat passive index funds over five years. [1] — Tom Ellsworth "72% of fund managers can't beat index: Tom Ellsworth cited data showing 72% of professional fund managers cannot outperform QQQ or SPY (ind…" 38:30 He recommends QQQ and SPY as benchmarks, noting that the top 28% of managers who do beat indexes are inaccessible to most investors because they require billion-dollar minimums. Patrick Bet-David adds a real-world cautionary tale: a wealthy friend in his 60s panicked during COVID's market crash, sold everything at the bottom, and lost millions — despite Patrick warning him that 9 out of 10 historical pandemics saw market recoveries within six months. The discussion ties back to the millionaire study's core lesson: wealth is built by avoiding catastrophic impulsive decisions and letting compounding work over time.
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Before pivoting to the California wealth tax story, Patrick Bet-David shares two data points. An internal merch report revealed that vtmerch.com has shipped to customers in 116 different countries — far more than the panel's highest guess of 80. Canada, Australia, the UK, Germany, and the Netherlands all rank in the top seven markets. He also shares the results of a live audience poll on homeownership: 42% of viewers bought their first home between 20 and 30; 24% between 31 and 40; 6% above 41; and 27% still don't own a home. The global reach of the audience is used to contextualize the housing discussion, noting the show's data isn't just an American snapshot.
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Patrick Bet-David introduces the Zero Hedge report confirming California Secretary of State Shirley Weber's announcement that the billionaire wealth tax has qualified for the November 2026 ballot. The initiative targets the state's estimated 250 billionaires with a one-time 5% levy on assets including art, stocks, and bonds, earmarked for K-12 schools, Medi-Cal, and CalFresh. Tom Ellsworth draws an analogy to California's 1984 lottery, pointing out that 'for the children' is always the political packaging used to sell new tax mechanisms. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "Billionaires don't sit on cash — Tom Ellsworth says a typical billionaire holds under $50M liquid on a $1B net worth. To pay the 5% wealth …" 41:43 The panel then works through the economic math in detail: Tom Ellsworth says a typical billionaire holds less than $50 million in cash, so a $1B net worth billionaire facing a $50M tax bill must liquidate roughly $100M in assets. After paying 16% California capital gains and 23% federal capital gains taxes on those sales, the effective cost approaches 10% or more of their wealth. [2] — Patrick Bet-David "It's worse than a 5% tax. It's a 10% tax." 49:42 Jeff Snyder frames the broader danger: this is really about shifting the Overton window to make it socially acceptable to demonize the successful — and once it passes in California, similar measures will spread to other states, starting higher and then 'creeping down' to ever-lower wealth levels.
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Patrick Bet-David plays a clip of Ro Khanna accusing Gavin Newsom of protecting 250 billionaires over working Californians on the wealth tax. The panel notes the irony: Khanna's own estimated net worth via Open Secrets sits at $232 million, while Newsom's is around $20–30 million. Tom Ellsworth argues Khanna is positioning for a presidential run, following the momentum of Zohran Mamdani, whose endorsed candidates won three New York City Democratic Senate primaries — including defeating a four or five-term incumbent. The discussion raises a broader question: with Democratic socialists winning primaries and moderate Democrats getting squeezed, what is the party's midterm strategy?
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Two short commercial reads break up the Daily Wire segment. The first promotes 7-Eleven's fire chicken sandwich at $4.99, and the second spotlights Ollie's women's wellness supplement line, positioning it as 'science-backed support' for every stage of a woman's health journey from PMS to menopause.
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Patrick Bet-David presents data from Semaphore's reporting on Daily Wire's confidential fundraising documents: $48M in EBITDA, subscriber growth that exploded during COVID and has now reversed to -16% in 2026, and bankers targeting a $2B IPO valuation within 18 months of a current $750M round. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "Daily Wire has $48M in EBITDA and is targeting a $2B IPO valuation — but subscriber growth has gone from 151% in 2021 to negative 16% in 20…" 55:30 The panel debates what percentage of Daily Wire's value is tied to Ben Shapiro — estimates range from 50% to 80% — and whether the company survives if he stops creating content. Tom Ellsworth frames the $100M raise as a 'venture valuation,' comparing it to the sky-high multiples seen in Perplexity and Anthropic rounds, rather than a traditional PE deal that would imply a far lower price on $50M EBITDA. [2] — Patrick Bet-David "Daily Wire IPO target: $2B valuation: Bankers say a $2 billion IPO valuation could be achievable within 18 months after a current fundraise…" 56:10 Humberto references BuzzFeed's disastrous SPAC IPO as a cautionary tale, while Elon Lekakou argues that 'commenting on political news is a well that is running dry.' Patrick concludes that what Daily Wire needs most is a 'real operator' CEO — analogous to what MrBeast did by hiring Jeffrey Housenholdt — who can diversify the brand beyond Shapiro's content, much like ABC built Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz into standalone assets while Oprah was still on air.
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Patrick Bet-David reads from the Google-A24 deal announcement: Google's DeepMind unit is partnering with A24 — the studio behind Backrooms and Everything Everywhere All at Once — to develop new AI production and distribution tools in a multi-year non-exclusive agreement. [1] — Elon Lekakou "Google is investing $75M in A24 as part of an AI research partnership with DeepMind. The panel agrees this isn't really about films — it's …" 1:07:40 Elon Lekakou calls the choice of A24 smart, noting the studio is respected for high-quality, risk-taking filmmaking and that normalizing AI through them is a credible entry point. He predicts that within three years, major productions will be AI-first, with $7M films replacing what used to require $100M budgets. Tom Ellsworth provides additional context on A24 partner Scott Belsky — author of The Messy Middle and founder of Behance — arguing the partnership is fundamentally about tools, not content. Jeff Snyder draws a parallel to how social media unlocked podcasts and news creators, suggesting AI could do the same for independent filmmakers. Disney's aborted OpenAI partnership and Netflix's AI startup acquisition are cited as evidence that Hollywood is still fumbling toward adoption.
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Patrick Bet-David plays Tucker Carlson's declaration that he will never support the Republican Party because it is 'not loyal to the United States,' citing what he describes as unconditional support for a foreign country (Israel). [1] — Elon Lekakou "Tucker Carlson declared he'd never support the Republican Party, then effectively endorsed JD Vance with Alex Jones just 24 hours later. Th…" 1:15:00 Then — just 24 hours later — Tucker praised JD Vance alongside Alex Jones, describing him as 'great compared to Rubio.' Elon Lekakou delivers the sharpest critique: he doesn't trust anything Tucker says, argues the refusal to vote Republican is code for letting Democrats win, and calls the Nick Fuentes interview a moment where Tucker showed no integrity by failing to defend Charlie Kirk. Jeff Snyder offers a more measured take, saying Tucker's critique of GOP foreign policy would be defensible if it were consistently framed as an Iraq War parallel, but his singular obsession with Israel 'raises red flags.' Humberto suggests Tucker is genuinely conservative at heart but dwells in an uncomfortable ideological space between America First libertarianism and economic protectionism. Patrick speculates Tucker may be building toward a presidential run, noting his original alliance with Musk and Trump has visibly cooled. The panel also confirms Tucker was registered as a Democrat in DC from approximately 2006 to 2022.
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Patrick Bet-David introduces the story of Angie Baez, who had recently been promoted to executive director of community and industry engagement at JPMorgan Chase after serving as a DEI executive at The Infatuation, a restaurant review site JPMorgan acquired. Surveillance footage caught her emptying a New York Knicks-branded trash can onto the street and walking away with it as a souvenir. JPMorgan fired her. The panel riffs on the absurdity: Humberto notes her salary was likely $250,000 to $450,000 a year, making the theft completely irrational. Tom Ellsworth imagines Jamie Dimon's reaction upon learning the company had acquired the website — and its employee — and quips that she had made a permanent public record of her actions. Jeff Snyder predicts she will be fine because thousands of New York nonprofits will see her as exactly the kind of person they want to hire, and her notoriety as the 'Knicks trash lady' will actually help her.
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Patrick Bet-David plays a clip of Russell Crowe speaking in deeply emotional terms about why Gladiator 2 failed: the sequel abandoned the moral foundation that made the original endure for 26 years on primetime television and streaming. [1] — Russell Crowe "Russell Crowe got visibly emotional explaining that Gladiator's enduring power came from its moral code — a man single-mindedly avenging hi…" 1:26:15 Crowe explains that he fought studio pressure to include a sex scene in the original because it would have destroyed the character's singular emotional journey — avenging his murdered wife and child. The sequel, he says, 'didn't understand why it was successful' and paid the commercial price. Elon Lekakou connects this to something broader: audiences don't want action, they want action in service of a moral purpose, and once that is corrupted, they are not just disinterested but offended. Jeff Snyder notes that Hollywood has shifted from storytellers to franchise machines and message-delivery systems since the 1990s golden age. Patrick declares Gladiator 2 one of the worst films he's ever seen, and the team connects the conversation back to the Google-A24 partnership as a potential renaissance moment for story-first cinema.
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Patrick Bet-David summarizes a Bloomberg story on the Pierre Castle case: a 99-year-old drinks magnate who spent three decades constructing a succession structure across Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, and Singapore. Rather than preserving harmony, the structure became the source of conflict, with his daughter and nephew attempting to remove the CEO in proceedings now before the Singapore Supreme Court. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "Billionaires are using elaborate trust structures across multiple jurisdictions to control their empires from beyond the grave — but famili…" 1:30:25 Tom Ellsworth cuts through the Bloomberg framing with a blunter take: 'the little greedy bastards in the next generation want to go grab the money and have fun,' and the real problem is how these children were raised. Jeff Snyder adds that even well-raised heirs will experience natural tension when they hold economic ownership but no operational control. Humberto delivers a personal kicker: his own family once controlled trade routes at the tip of South America before the Panama Canal was built, was one of the most prominent families in southern Chile, and lost everything within three generations for lack of succession rules. Patrick recommends the book Leave a Legacy by Jonathan Kurtz, the documentary on the Murdoch family, and the film Meet Joe Black as resources for thinking through intergenerational wealth transfer, and encourages families to involve children in these conversations early.
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Patrick Bet-David presents Barron's reporting on Lucid's second major layoff of 2026: 18% of its global workforce of 9,000 employees, for estimated annual savings of $158 million. [1] — Humberto "Lucid has cut 18% of its workforce and seen its stock fall over 50% in 2026, far worse than Tesla or Rivian. Saudi Arabia's PIF now owns 57…" 1:36:10 The stock has declined more than 50% since January, dramatically underperforming Tesla (down 9%) and Rivian (down 20%). Humberto explains the core product-market fit failure: Lucid bet on a $100K S-Class competitor while the market wanted a $60K family SUV. He notes the company once had its market cap valued above Ford during the EV bubble despite producing only 20,000 cars annually against a target of 60,000. Tom Ellsworth adds structural context: EV subsidies are expiring, Trump-era policies are rolling back state EV mandates, and the California grid cannot physically support universal EV adoption — 'you can't print electricity.' Saudi Arabia's PIF, which now owns 57% of Lucid after a $550M February 2026 investment, is steering the company toward electric robo-taxis it can deploy globally. Jeff Snyder notes that all the major legacy carmakers made multi-billion-dollar EV bets they are now writing off, suggesting Lucid may simply be too early — or the addressable market outside cheap Chinese EVs simply doesn't exist.
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After the Lucid discussion, Elon Lekakou casually reveals he bought a Tesla, and Patrick Bet-David recounts a real-world FSD demonstration where a colleague pressed the autonomy button and the car navigated entirely on its own to a taco restaurant, leaving Patrick amazed. He considers buying a Tesla Cybertruck as a branded company vehicle. The panel riffs on 'Mad Max mode,' which apparently pushes highway speeds to 90 mph and puts any traffic violation liability on the driver. Patrick quips that no one in their right mind would drive 185 mph on Interstate 95 — with a smile that suggests some have tried.
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Patrick Bet-David corrects an earlier tally: Messi has scored 5 goals in the tournament so far, Mbappé and Haaland each scored 4, and Ronaldo scored 2 goals. He notes a 10–15% probability that the US faces Iran, a 20–30% chance of a France-Argentina rematch, and a 10–20% chance of a Portugal-Argentina showdown that would explode the Ronaldo-Messi narrative. A post-match clip shows Ronaldo immediately redirecting when asked about Messi. Humberto makes the provocative argument that Messi will never be loved the way Ronaldo or Maradona are loved regardless of titles, drawing a comparison to Formula 1: Schumacher was the greatest statistically but was respected rather than loved, while Senna had shrines built in his honor. Patrick draws a parallel to the Rush film and the James Hunt versus Niki Lauda dynamic. The team invites the comment section to argue Team Messi versus Team Ronaldo versus Pelé versus Maradona, teases Friday's show, and signs off with the vtwebinar.com fatherhood registration reminder.
- EBITDA
- Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization — a measure of a company's core operating profitability used to compare businesses and set acquisition valuations.
- QQQ
- An ETF tracking the NASDAQ-100 index, commonly used as a benchmark for technology-sector performance and a reference for passive investing discussions.
- SPY
- An ETF tracking the S&P 500 index — the most widely used benchmark for the broad U.S. stock market.
- FHA
- Federal Housing Administration — a U.S. government agency that insures mortgage loans, especially for first-time and lower-income buyers, and sets loan limits that the bill proposes raising.
- PIF
- Public Investment Fund — Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund, which now owns 57% of Lucid Motors after a series of bailout investments.
- Overton window
- The range of ideas the public currently considers acceptable for political discussion; Jeff Snyder used it to argue California's wealth tax is really about shifting norms, not raising revenue.
- SPAC
- Special Purpose Acquisition Company — a shell company that goes public to later merge with a private firm, used here in reference to BuzzFeed's troubled public debut.
- BIPOC
- Black, Indigenous, and People of Color — an acronym used in diversity and equity discourse; the hosts debated its meaning on air.
- Crosstabs
- In survey research, cross-tabulations that break down results by demographic subgroup — Tom Ellsworth used the term to suggest the millionaire study's headline findings may mask demographic nuances.
- SLAT
- Spousal Lifetime Access Trust — a legal estate-planning tool that allows wealthy families to transfer assets out of their estate while retaining indirect access, mentioned in the succession planning discussion.
- Medi-Cal
- California's Medicaid program, providing health coverage for low-income residents; cited as one of the programs the billionaire wealth tax would fund.
- Oligopoly
- A market structure dominated by a small number of large sellers, used by Patrick Bet-David to describe what happens if five corporations control most of the rental housing supply.
- Life settlement
- A financial transaction where a life insurance policy is sold to a third party who collects the death benefit — the seller profits sooner if the insured dies earlier, creating a moral hazard Patrick Bet-David highlighted.
- Scion
- A descendant of a notable family, especially the heir who carries on a family legacy or business; used in the context of billionaire succession planning.
- Robo-taxi
- An autonomous, driverless vehicle operated as a ride-hailing service; discussed as Lucid's new strategic pivot after its luxury EV pivot stalled.
- Ninja loans
- Mortgages issued with No Income, No Job, and No Assets verification — a hallmark of the reckless subprime lending that contributed to the 2008 financial crisis.
- Perpetuity
- Continuing or lasting indefinitely; used by Senator Tony Strickland to warn that the California billionaire tax would create a 'budget deficit in perpetuity.'
Chapter 2 · 08:05
Housing Affordability Bill: What It Does and What It Misses
Patrick Bet-David walks through the bill's headline provision: legally barring large institutional investors from owning more than 350 single-family homes nationwide. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "The House passed the housing affordability bill 358 to 32, capping corporate ownership at 350 single-family homes. But panel members point …" 08:10 He notes notable libertarian dissenters — Thomas Massie, Byron Donalds, Rick Scott, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul — who argue the measure interferes with free-market principles. Jeff Snyder provides historical context, explaining that after the 2008 financial crisis banks pulled back on mortgage lending and never returned, leaving Wall Street firms as the only buyers with access to capital. The result: BlackRock bought up thousands of properties in single transactions, driving up prices and squeezing out middle-class families. Tom Ellsworth agrees the measure is well-intentioned but argues the real solution is supply-side reform — cutting permitting timelines, modernizing FHA loan limits, and preserving inspection standards while enabling more construction. Elon Lekakou adds that corporate ownership accounts for only about 3% of the rental market, suggesting the bill's symbolic value may exceed its practical impact.
Claims made here
Only 3% of the rental housing market is owned by large institutional investment firms.
The House passed the housing affordability bill 358 to 32, capping corporate ownership at 350 single-family homes. But panel members point out 350 homes is nothing to BlackRock — they buy 10,000 at a time — and the real fix requires cutting permitting delays and incentivizing smaller starter homes.
The bipartisan housing affordability bill passed the House 358 to 32 and now heads to President Trump to sign, marking a rare legislative achievement.
The bill bars large institutional investors from owning more than 350 single-family homes nationwide, targeting firms like BlackRock that own tens of thousands.
After 2008, banks stopped lending to regular people and Wall Street firms became the only buyers in the housing market. Jeff Snyder explains the chain reaction: no starter homes means no equity ladder, which means a generation permanently locked out of ownership.
Chapter 3 · 17:40
Starter Homes Are Gone — and So Is the Path to the Middle Class
Jeff Snyder drops the stat that anchors the conversation: NAR data shows the median first-time homebuyer is now 40 years old. [1] — Jeff Snyder "Median first-time buyer age: 40: The National Association of Realtors found the median age of a first-time homebuyer is now 40, up from 29 …" 18:42 Patrick Bet-David builds on this with a historical analysis showing that the home-price-to-income ratio was 2.3x in 1970 and has ballooned to 5x nationally today — and as high as 13x in the most expensive metro areas. Tom Ellsworth shares a personal story of buying a 1,400-square-foot home in Woodland Hills, California for $205,000 at age 24 in 1986, describing it as 'normal' at the time. The group examines how the average American home size grew from 1,600 to 2,600 square feet over the same period, arguing that the push toward bigger homes priced out the starter-home market. Humberto notes that one in three Americans under 35 now live with their parents. The panel agrees that without accessible starter homes, young families can never build equity, and the homeownership ladder effectively disappears.
Claims made here
The median age of a first-time homebuyer in the U.S., according to the National Association of Realtors, is 40 years old.
The median home price was 2.3 times the median household income in 1970; today it is 5 times nationally, and 7–13 times in markets like Miami, LA, and New York.
In 1981, the average age of a first-time homebuyer was 29 years old; today it is 40.
In 1981, the average first-time homebuyer was 29. Today the median is 40. Home-price-to-income ratios have ballooned from 2.3x in 1970 to 5x nationally — and 7 to 13x in cities like Miami, LA, and New York. Eventually, the host warns, there won't be any buyers at all.
One in three Americans under 35 still live with their parents, illustrating the scale of the housing affordability crisis.
The National Association of Realtors found the median age of a first-time homebuyer is now 40, up from 29 in 1981, signaling a severe affordability crisis.
In 1970 the median home cost 2.3x the median household income; today it is 5x nationally and 7–13x in cities like Miami, LA, and New York.
Chapter 4 · 25:00
Millionaire Study: Engineers Beat Doctors, Teachers Outrank Everyone
Patrick Bet-David plays a clip of Dave Ramsey explaining the findings of what he calls the largest-ever millionaire study: engineers top the list, accountants are second, teachers are third — a result the panel finds remarkable given teaching salaries. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "Top millionaire career: engineering: Dave Ramsey's survey of 10,167 millionaires found engineers are the most common occupation, followed b…" 26:00 Medical doctors come in at number six, a placement the panelists are not surprised by. Patrick draws on his own experience as a licensed financial advisor (Series 7, 66, and 31 licenses) to say doctors were among the worst-off clients he ever encountered financially, partly because people assume they already know how to manage money. Elon Lekakou recalls that his own mother was a teacher for 40 years and is not independently wealthy, suggesting the teacher result hinges on pension benefits, summer side hustles, and frugal living habits. Jeff Snyder crystallizes the lesson: the defining trait of wealth accumulation is avoiding the 'big down year,' which requires the analytical patience associated with engineering and accounting personalities. Tom Ellsworth adds that 72% of professional fund managers can't beat passive index funds like QQQ or SPY over five years, reinforcing the 'slow and steady' thesis.
Claims made here
Dave Ramsey surveyed 10,167 wealthy Americans and found the most common occupation among millionaires is engineer, followed by accountant, teacher, management, and attorney — with medical doctors at number six.
Roughly one-third of the millionaires in Dave Ramsey's study never earned a six-figure income in a single year.
In pandemic market downturns, 9 out of 10 pandemics saw the stock market fully recover within 6 months; AIDS was the exception, recovering after 12 months.
Dave Ramsey's survey of over 10,000 millionaires found that engineers top the list, followed by accountants and teachers. Doctors didn't crack the top five. The panel digs into why: it's not income, it's analytical discipline and the avoidance of lifestyle inflation that builds wealth.
Dave Ramsey's survey of 10,167 millionaires found engineers are the most common occupation, followed by accountants, teachers, managers, and attorneys — doctors didn't crack the top 5.
Chapter 6 · 38:30
Long-Term Investing, Index Funds, and the Art of Not Panicking
Tom Ellsworth presents a key statistic from his Numbers Scream segment: 72% of professional fund managers fail to beat passive index funds over five years. [1] — Tom Ellsworth "72% of fund managers can't beat index: Tom Ellsworth cited data showing 72% of professional fund managers cannot outperform QQQ or SPY (ind…" 38:30 He recommends QQQ and SPY as benchmarks, noting that the top 28% of managers who do beat indexes are inaccessible to most investors because they require billion-dollar minimums. Patrick Bet-David adds a real-world cautionary tale: a wealthy friend in his 60s panicked during COVID's market crash, sold everything at the bottom, and lost millions — despite Patrick warning him that 9 out of 10 historical pandemics saw market recoveries within six months. The discussion ties back to the millionaire study's core lesson: wealth is built by avoiding catastrophic impulsive decisions and letting compounding work over time.
Claims made here
72% of professional fund managers cannot beat the QQQ or S&P 500 index over a 5-year period.
Tom Ellsworth cited data showing 72% of professional fund managers cannot outperform QQQ or SPY (index funds) over a 5-year period.
PBD Podcast's merchandise has been ordered from 116 different countries, demonstrating the show's global audience reach.
Billionaires don't sit on cash — Tom Ellsworth says a typical billionaire holds under $50M liquid on a $1B net worth. To pay the 5% wealth tax, they must sell $100M in assets, then pay 16% state and 23% federal capital gains on those sales. The real effective rate is 10%+, and the panel predicts 50 of California's 250 billionaires will leave the state.
Chapter 7 · 41:45
PBD Merch Goes Global & Housing Poll Results
Before pivoting to the California wealth tax story, Patrick Bet-David shares two data points. An internal merch report revealed that vtmerch.com has shipped to customers in 116 different countries — far more than the panel's highest guess of 80. Canada, Australia, the UK, Germany, and the Netherlands all rank in the top seven markets. He also shares the results of a live audience poll on homeownership: 42% of viewers bought their first home between 20 and 30; 24% between 31 and 40; 6% above 41; and 27% still don't own a home. The global reach of the audience is used to contextualize the housing discussion, noting the show's data isn't just an American snapshot.
Claims made here
California's billionaire wealth tax initiative exceeded the required number of petition signatures and will appear on the November 2026 ballot.
California's proposed one-time 5% wealth tax on the state's ~250 billionaires is expected to generate $100 billion and has qualified for the November 2026 ballot.
Chapter 8 · 42:15
California's Billionaire Wealth Tax: 5% That's Really 10%+
Patrick Bet-David introduces the Zero Hedge report confirming California Secretary of State Shirley Weber's announcement that the billionaire wealth tax has qualified for the November 2026 ballot. The initiative targets the state's estimated 250 billionaires with a one-time 5% levy on assets including art, stocks, and bonds, earmarked for K-12 schools, Medi-Cal, and CalFresh. Tom Ellsworth draws an analogy to California's 1984 lottery, pointing out that 'for the children' is always the political packaging used to sell new tax mechanisms. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "Billionaires don't sit on cash — Tom Ellsworth says a typical billionaire holds under $50M liquid on a $1B net worth. To pay the 5% wealth …" 41:43 The panel then works through the economic math in detail: Tom Ellsworth says a typical billionaire holds less than $50 million in cash, so a $1B net worth billionaire facing a $50M tax bill must liquidate roughly $100M in assets. After paying 16% California capital gains and 23% federal capital gains taxes on those sales, the effective cost approaches 10% or more of their wealth. [2] — Patrick Bet-David "It's worse than a 5% tax. It's a 10% tax." 49:42 Jeff Snyder frames the broader danger: this is really about shifting the Overton window to make it socially acceptable to demonize the successful — and once it passes in California, similar measures will spread to other states, starting higher and then 'creeping down' to ever-lower wealth levels.
Claims made here
A typical billionaire holds less than $50 million in cash despite having a net worth of $1 billion or more.
California imposes a 16% state capital gains tax; the federal rate is 23%, making combined capital gains taxes roughly 39%.
If you took all of Elon Musk's wealth, it would only fund the federal government for 91 days.
A billionaire with $1B in assets paying 5% wealth tax would need to sell ~$100M of assets, triggering capital gains, making the effective hit closer to 10% or more.
Chapter 10 · 55:30
Sponsor Break 2
Two short commercial reads break up the Daily Wire segment. The first promotes 7-Eleven's fire chicken sandwich at $4.99, and the second spotlights Ollie's women's wellness supplement line, positioning it as 'science-backed support' for every stage of a woman's health journey from PMS to menopause.
Daily Wire has $48M in EBITDA and is targeting a $2B IPO valuation — but subscriber growth has gone from 151% in 2021 to negative 16% in 2026. Tom Ellsworth explains this is a venture valuation, not a PE multiple, and the entire business may collapse if Ben Shapiro stops creating content.
Chapter 11 · 56:05
Daily Wire: $2B IPO Dream or Slow-Motion Decline?
Patrick Bet-David presents data from Semaphore's reporting on Daily Wire's confidential fundraising documents: $48M in EBITDA, subscriber growth that exploded during COVID and has now reversed to -16% in 2026, and bankers targeting a $2B IPO valuation within 18 months of a current $750M round. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "Daily Wire has $48M in EBITDA and is targeting a $2B IPO valuation — but subscriber growth has gone from 151% in 2021 to negative 16% in 20…" 55:30 The panel debates what percentage of Daily Wire's value is tied to Ben Shapiro — estimates range from 50% to 80% — and whether the company survives if he stops creating content. Tom Ellsworth frames the $100M raise as a 'venture valuation,' comparing it to the sky-high multiples seen in Perplexity and Anthropic rounds, rather than a traditional PE deal that would imply a far lower price on $50M EBITDA. [2] — Patrick Bet-David "Daily Wire IPO target: $2B valuation: Bankers say a $2 billion IPO valuation could be achievable within 18 months after a current fundraise…" 56:10 Humberto references BuzzFeed's disastrous SPAC IPO as a cautionary tale, while Elon Lekakou argues that 'commenting on political news is a well that is running dry.' Patrick concludes that what Daily Wire needs most is a 'real operator' CEO — analogous to what MrBeast did by hiring Jeffrey Housenholdt — who can diversify the brand beyond Shapiro's content, much like ABC built Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz into standalone assets while Oprah was still on air.
Claims made here
Daily Wire had $48 million in EBITDA last year but saw subscriber growth decline 16% in 2026 after growing 151% in 2021.
MrBeast earned $300 million in 2025 and was ranked number one on Forbes' top 40 content creator earners list.
Bankers say a $2 billion IPO valuation could be achievable within 18 months after a current fundraise valuing the company at $750 million.
Daily Wire disclosed $48 million in EBITDA last year but has seen subscriber growth collapse from 151% in 2021 to -16% in 2026.
Forbes ranked MrBeast number one on its top content creator earnings list with $300 million made in 2025, far exceeding any traditional media company.
Google is investing $75 million in film studio A24 as part of an AI research partnership with DeepMind to develop new filmmaking tools.
Chapter 12 · 1:07:35
Google's $75M Bet on A24: Building the AI Toolkit for Hollywood
Patrick Bet-David reads from the Google-A24 deal announcement: Google's DeepMind unit is partnering with A24 — the studio behind Backrooms and Everything Everywhere All at Once — to develop new AI production and distribution tools in a multi-year non-exclusive agreement. [1] — Elon Lekakou "Google is investing $75M in A24 as part of an AI research partnership with DeepMind. The panel agrees this isn't really about films — it's …" 1:07:40 Elon Lekakou calls the choice of A24 smart, noting the studio is respected for high-quality, risk-taking filmmaking and that normalizing AI through them is a credible entry point. He predicts that within three years, major productions will be AI-first, with $7M films replacing what used to require $100M budgets. Tom Ellsworth provides additional context on A24 partner Scott Belsky — author of The Messy Middle and founder of Behance — arguing the partnership is fundamentally about tools, not content. Jeff Snyder draws a parallel to how social media unlocked podcasts and news creators, suggesting AI could do the same for independent filmmakers. Disney's aborted OpenAI partnership and Netflix's AI startup acquisition are cited as evidence that Hollywood is still fumbling toward adoption.
Google is investing $75M in A24 as part of an AI research partnership with DeepMind. The panel agrees this isn't really about films — it's about building tools. AI can now enable a $7M movie that used to cost $100M, and within 3 years major productions will be AI-first.
Chapter 13 · 1:15:00
Tucker Carlson's GOP Breakup and the Motive Behind the Meltdown
Patrick Bet-David plays Tucker Carlson's declaration that he will never support the Republican Party because it is 'not loyal to the United States,' citing what he describes as unconditional support for a foreign country (Israel). [1] — Elon Lekakou "Tucker Carlson declared he'd never support the Republican Party, then effectively endorsed JD Vance with Alex Jones just 24 hours later. Th…" 1:15:00 Then — just 24 hours later — Tucker praised JD Vance alongside Alex Jones, describing him as 'great compared to Rubio.' Elon Lekakou delivers the sharpest critique: he doesn't trust anything Tucker says, argues the refusal to vote Republican is code for letting Democrats win, and calls the Nick Fuentes interview a moment where Tucker showed no integrity by failing to defend Charlie Kirk. Jeff Snyder offers a more measured take, saying Tucker's critique of GOP foreign policy would be defensible if it were consistently framed as an Iraq War parallel, but his singular obsession with Israel 'raises red flags.' Humberto suggests Tucker is genuinely conservative at heart but dwells in an uncomfortable ideological space between America First libertarianism and economic protectionism. Patrick speculates Tucker may be building toward a presidential run, noting his original alliance with Musk and Trump has visibly cooled. The panel also confirms Tucker was registered as a Democrat in DC from approximately 2006 to 2022.
Tucker Carlson declared he'd never support the Republican Party, then effectively endorsed JD Vance with Alex Jones just 24 hours later. The panel dissects his motives, his obsession with Israel, his promotion of Nick Fuentes, and his possible presidential ambitions, while questioning whether he's been a registered Democrat since 2006.
Studies show family wealth typically disappears within three generations without strict succession planning, as illustrated by Humberto's own family's Chilean fortune.
Chapter 15 · 1:26:15
Russell Crowe vs. Gladiator 2: A Moral Reckoning
Patrick Bet-David plays a clip of Russell Crowe speaking in deeply emotional terms about why Gladiator 2 failed: the sequel abandoned the moral foundation that made the original endure for 26 years on primetime television and streaming. [1] — Russell Crowe "Russell Crowe got visibly emotional explaining that Gladiator's enduring power came from its moral code — a man single-mindedly avenging hi…" 1:26:15 Crowe explains that he fought studio pressure to include a sex scene in the original because it would have destroyed the character's singular emotional journey — avenging his murdered wife and child. The sequel, he says, 'didn't understand why it was successful' and paid the commercial price. Elon Lekakou connects this to something broader: audiences don't want action, they want action in service of a moral purpose, and once that is corrupted, they are not just disinterested but offended. Jeff Snyder notes that Hollywood has shifted from storytellers to franchise machines and message-delivery systems since the 1990s golden age. Patrick declares Gladiator 2 one of the worst films he's ever seen, and the team connects the conversation back to the Google-A24 partnership as a potential renaissance moment for story-first cinema.
Russell Crowe got visibly emotional explaining that Gladiator's enduring power came from its moral code — a man single-mindedly avenging his murdered wife and child. He says the sequel failed because it destroyed that moral sentiment. The clip resonates deeply with the panel's broader concern about Hollywood losing its storytelling soul.
Billionaires are using elaborate trust structures across multiple jurisdictions to control their empires from beyond the grave — but families like the Pierre Castle dynasty are now fighting those structures in the Singapore Supreme Court. Tom Ellsworth argues the real issue is spoiled heirs. Jeff Snyder says you're inviting legal conflict no matter how good a parent you are.
Chapter 16 · 1:30:30
Billionaires Fighting Their Heirs: Control Beyond the Grave
Patrick Bet-David summarizes a Bloomberg story on the Pierre Castle case: a 99-year-old drinks magnate who spent three decades constructing a succession structure across Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, and Singapore. Rather than preserving harmony, the structure became the source of conflict, with his daughter and nephew attempting to remove the CEO in proceedings now before the Singapore Supreme Court. [1] — Patrick Bet-David "Billionaires are using elaborate trust structures across multiple jurisdictions to control their empires from beyond the grave — but famili…" 1:30:25 Tom Ellsworth cuts through the Bloomberg framing with a blunter take: 'the little greedy bastards in the next generation want to go grab the money and have fun,' and the real problem is how these children were raised. Jeff Snyder adds that even well-raised heirs will experience natural tension when they hold economic ownership but no operational control. Humberto delivers a personal kicker: his own family once controlled trade routes at the tip of South America before the Panama Canal was built, was one of the most prominent families in southern Chile, and lost everything within three generations for lack of succession rules. Patrick recommends the book Leave a Legacy by Jonathan Kurtz, the documentary on the Murdoch family, and the film Meet Joe Black as resources for thinking through intergenerational wealth transfer, and encourages families to involve children in these conversations early.
Lucid has cut 18% of its workforce and seen its stock fall over 50% in 2026, far worse than Tesla or Rivian. Saudi Arabia's PIF now owns 57% of the company after a $550M rescue investment, and the company is pivoting to robo-taxis. The panel says Lucid built the wrong car — a $100K luxury sedan when Americans wanted a $60K family SUV.
Chapter 17 · 1:36:15
Lucid Motors: Wrong Car, Wrong Time, Saudi Lifeline
Patrick Bet-David presents Barron's reporting on Lucid's second major layoff of 2026: 18% of its global workforce of 9,000 employees, for estimated annual savings of $158 million. [1] — Humberto "Lucid has cut 18% of its workforce and seen its stock fall over 50% in 2026, far worse than Tesla or Rivian. Saudi Arabia's PIF now owns 57…" 1:36:10 The stock has declined more than 50% since January, dramatically underperforming Tesla (down 9%) and Rivian (down 20%). Humberto explains the core product-market fit failure: Lucid bet on a $100K S-Class competitor while the market wanted a $60K family SUV. He notes the company once had its market cap valued above Ford during the EV bubble despite producing only 20,000 cars annually against a target of 60,000. Tom Ellsworth adds structural context: EV subsidies are expiring, Trump-era policies are rolling back state EV mandates, and the California grid cannot physically support universal EV adoption — 'you can't print electricity.' Saudi Arabia's PIF, which now owns 57% of Lucid after a $550M February 2026 investment, is steering the company toward electric robo-taxis it can deploy globally. Jeff Snyder notes that all the major legacy carmakers made multi-billion-dollar EV bets they are now writing off, suggesting Lucid may simply be too early — or the addressable market outside cheap Chinese EVs simply doesn't exist.
Claims made here
Lucid's stock fell more than 50% in 2026, while rivals Rivian and Tesla fell 20% and 9% respectively.
Saudi Arabia's PIF now owns 57% of Lucid Motors after a $550 million investment in February 2026.
Lucid announced it would cut 18% of its workforce — covering employees and contractors — for estimated annual savings of $158 million.
Lucid's stock has fallen more than 50% in 2026 while rivals Rivian and Tesla are down just 20% and 9% respectively.
Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF) now owns 57% of Lucid after providing an additional $550 million investment in February 2026.
Chapter 18 · 1:42:55
Tesla's Full Self-Driving Demo & EV Market Reality Check
After the Lucid discussion, Elon Lekakou casually reveals he bought a Tesla, and Patrick Bet-David recounts a real-world FSD demonstration where a colleague pressed the autonomy button and the car navigated entirely on its own to a taco restaurant, leaving Patrick amazed. He considers buying a Tesla Cybertruck as a branded company vehicle. The panel riffs on 'Mad Max mode,' which apparently pushes highway speeds to 90 mph and puts any traffic violation liability on the driver. Patrick quips that no one in their right mind would drive 185 mph on Interstate 95 — with a smile that suggests some have tried.
Patrick Bet-David describes watching Tesla's Full Self-Driving navigate to a restaurant without any input from the driver. He's so impressed he's considering buying a Tesla Cybertruck as a company car — and reveals there's a 'Mad Max mode' that drives at 90 mph on the highway.
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Conservative commentator who declared he would never support Republicans then endorsed JD Vance 24 hours later; panel questions his motives and consistency.
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Co-founder of Daily Wire; panel estimates 60-80% of the company's subscriber value is tied directly to him as a personality.
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Congressman with an estimated $232M net worth who publicly challenged Newsom on his opposition to the California billionaire wealth tax.
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California Governor discussed as having shifted from enthusiast to silent on the billionaire wealth tax, and criticized for EV mandates that ignore grid capacity.
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Content creator ranked #1 on Forbes 2025 creator earnings list at $300M; cited as a model for scaling content businesses with a professional CEO.
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Financial commentator whose survey of 10,167 millionaires found engineers are the most common occupation; cited for his wealth-building philosophy.
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Original Gladiator star who went viral criticizing Gladiator 2 for destroying the original film's moral core; a clip of his emotional commentary was played on the show.
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NYC Democratic socialist whose endorsed candidates won three Senate seats in primaries, seen as a signal of the far-left's growing influence within the Democratic Party.
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Vice President praised by Tucker Carlson just 24 hours after Carlson declared he would never vote Republican again; panel debated Carlson's consistency.
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Conservative media company seeking $100M investment at $750M valuation and targeting a $2B IPO, amid declining subscriber growth.
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High-end EV maker cutting 18% of workforce and down 50%+ in 2026, now 57% owned by Saudi Arabia's PIF and pivoting to robo-taxis.
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Independent film studio receiving $75M Google investment as part of an AI research partnership with DeepMind to develop new filmmaking tools.
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Discussed as a major institutional buyer of single-family homes, blamed for artificially inflating housing prices and crowding out middle-class buyers.
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Investing $75M in A24 through a DeepMind AI research partnership focused on new movie production and distribution tools.
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Referenced as an EV competitor down 9% in 2026 but praised for its Full Self-Driving technology, with a cast member recently purchasing one.
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Fired DEI executive Angie Baez after she was filmed dumping and stealing a New York Knicks-branded trash can outside the team's arena.
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Now owns 57% of Lucid Motors after a $550M investment in February 2026, effectively making Lucid a Saudi-controlled EV company.
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Discussed extensively as a state with 47% homeownership, $906K average home prices, 250 billionaires targeted by a wealth tax, and an EV mandate the grid cannot support.
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The House passed the housing affordability bill by a 358 to 32 vote.
Only 3% of the rental housing market is owned by large institutional investment firms.
The median age of a first-time homebuyer in the U.S., according to the National Association of Realtors, is 40 years old.
In 1981, the average age of a first-time homebuyer was 29 years old; today it is 40.
The median home price was 2.3 times the median household income in 1970; today it is 5 times nationally, and 7–13 times in markets like Miami, LA, and New York.
Dave Ramsey surveyed 10,167 wealthy Americans and found the most common occupation among millionaires is engineer, followed by accountant, teacher, management, and attorney — with medical doctors at number six.
Roughly one-third of the millionaires in Dave Ramsey's study never earned a six-figure income in a single year.
72% of professional fund managers cannot beat the QQQ or S&P 500 index over a 5-year period.
California's billionaire wealth tax initiative exceeded the required number of petition signatures and will appear on the November 2026 ballot.
A typical billionaire holds less than $50 million in cash despite having a net worth of $1 billion or more.
California imposes a 16% state capital gains tax; the federal rate is 23%, making combined capital gains taxes roughly 39%.
Daily Wire had $48 million in EBITDA last year but saw subscriber growth decline 16% in 2026 after growing 151% in 2021.
MrBeast earned $300 million in 2025 and was ranked number one on Forbes' top 40 content creator earners list.
Lucid's stock fell more than 50% in 2026, while rivals Rivian and Tesla fell 20% and 9% respectively.
Saudi Arabia's PIF now owns 57% of Lucid Motors after a $550 million investment in February 2026.
Tucker Carlson was a registered Democrat in Washington, DC from approximately 2006 to 2022.
If you took all of Elon Musk's wealth, it would only fund the federal government for 91 days.
In pandemic market downturns, 9 out of 10 pandemics saw the stock market fully recover within 6 months; AIDS was the exception, recovering after 12 months.
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