Podbit · Freakonomics Radio
China's AI models are only 4 to 9 months behind US frontier models, but cost far less. As US AI companies raise prices to satisfy investors, global businesses — and eventually US companies — will defect to Chinese models.
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The geopolitical dimension of the AI boom gets a sharp framing from Gensler: the US is spending roughly seven times what China spends on AI data centers, yet Chinese models like DeepSeek, Qwen, and Moonshot are only 4–9 months behind American frontier models — and they are dramatically cheaper. As US hyperscalers and model companies push prices up to satisfy investors, global businesses will increasingly ask whether good-enough AI at half the price makes more sense than the premium US product. Gensler invokes the automobile analogy: US AI companies build Maseratis and Ferraris; China builds Volkswagens. But Volkswagens sell far more units. He notes BYD's electric vehicles have taken over most of the non-US global market as proof of concept. China is also ahead in industrial robotics, a domain Gensler flags as a significant forthcoming battleground. The implication: even if the US 'wins' on frontier AI, it may lose the commercial market.
The industrialization of the late 19th century produced the progressive era: antitrust laws, the Federal Reserve, women's suffrage — but also Jim Crow. Gensler predicts AI will trigger a similarly turbulent political reckoning in the 2030s and 2040s.
Despite the US spending roughly seven times more than China on AI infrastructure, Chinese AI models are only about 4 to 9 months behind US frontier models.
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