Podbit · The Mel Robbins Podcast
Couples who later divorced were turning toward each other's bids for connection only 33% of the time — happy couples did it 86% of the time. These bids aren't grand gestures: they're 'look at this,' 'where's the fork,' a touch on the shoulder. Ignore them enough times and your partner stops reaching out entirely.
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When Mel asks what single action listeners should take after this episode, John Gottman's answer is the same one he opened with: buy a little notebook, get your pen out very slowly, and listen — because the goal of conflict is mutual understanding, not persuasion. [1] — John Gottman "When you realize conflict has a goal, which is mutual understanding, and what you need to do is postpone persuasion and problem solving unt…" 1:25:40 Once you truly hear your partner, you realize they are not your adversary but your ally, and together you can solve problems neither of you could solve alone. Mel is visibly moved, announcing she plans to listen to the episode again with Chris to celebrate their 30th anniversary. John closes the episode with a quiet testament: he cites Helen Fisher's finding that being in love has no shelf life, then adds that he feels enormous joy every morning when Julie is in his arms — and has for years. Julie kisses him on camera. Mel tears up. The segment ends with Mel's heartfelt sign-off and the disclaimer.
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