Podbit · The Mel Robbins Podcast
A UCLA Sloan Center study found dual-career couples with kids spent less than 10% of an evening in the same room and talked to each other just 35 minutes a week — mostly about errands. They stopped being partners and became logistics coordinators. Without rituals of connection, friendship, intimacy, and fun quietly die.
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When Mel asks about couples who say 'we never fight,' Julie's response is immediate concern: conflict avoidance doesn't keep the peace, it creates distance. Resentments accumulate underground and eventually erupt — or, more slowly, the relationship hollows out. John reinforces this with striking data from a UCLA Sloan Center study: dual-career couples with young children spent less than 10% of an evening in the same room and spoke to each other an average of only 35 minutes a week, mostly about who was doing what errand. The result was parallel lives — no friendship, no intimacy, no fun, no adventure. Mel immediately recognizes this as her own marriage during the years her three children were small: 'We were two ships passing.' The antidote, John says, is building in rituals of connection — predictable, recurring moments that give couples a reliable way back to each other.
A UCLA Sloan Center study found dual-career couples with young children spent less than 10% of an evening in the same room and talked an average of only 35 minutes a week — mostly about errands.
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