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#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

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The Shoe Runners Unit: Nazi Drug Testing on Prisoners

#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg,… · Sep 19, 2025 History

The German Navy hired the SS's 'Shoe Runners Unit' at Sachsenhausen concentration camp — prisoners who tested shoe soles by walking for days on different terrain replicas — and gave them cocktails of methamphetamine, cocaine, and experimental combinations in chewing gum. The goal: find a drug to keep soldiers awake and combat-ready for seven days straight.

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Hitler's drug use

At 24:49 · chapter starts 23:45

Ohler grew up fascinated by the walled city of Berlin and drove there the night the Wall fell. In New York in the early 1990s, he was a novelist living for $300/month in pre-Giuliani Manhattan, took LSD for the first time, and heard about Kurt Cobain's death just before a cassette of Berlin techno arrived and changed his musical world. He moved to Berlin in the mid-90s for the electronic music scene — parties in abandoned East German buildings, the famous Tresor club in a former bank vault. His friend Alex the DJ first told him 'the Nazis took a lot of drugs.' Ohler didn't believe it — but an antique dealer had found original 1940s Pervitin tablets in an old Berlin apartment, and they were still potent decades later. That story, combined with a professor's claim that 'there would be no Blitzkrieg without methamphetamine,' launched Ohler into the archives.

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