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Charles & Chase Koch on How They Quietly Built a $150B Empire

Explore episode May 12, 2026
Education
Stand Together: From 20% to 70–80% — How COVID Cracked Open Education Reform

Charles & Chase Koch on How They Quietly Built a $150B Empi… · May 12, 2026 Education

Before COVID, only 20% of American families were open to radically new education models. After parents watched their kids learn more from YouTube than from school, that number surged to 70–80%. Stand Together has since helped seed over 5,000 micro-schools, partnering with innovators like Khan Academy and Alpha School to move from teach-to-test toward individualized, gamified learning.

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Where this was said

Stand Together: Education Reform & Social Change

At 1:07:30 · chapter starts 56:17

Chase Koch enters the conversation as both a product of Koch's principles and a case study in their application. He was nationally ranked in tennis at 15 but began intentionally throwing matches to escape tournaments and party with friends — a deception his father Charles identified and refused to reward with a cushy Wichita job. Instead, Chase's bags were packed for him overnight and he arrived at a feedyard 6 hours later, living in a single-wide trailer, shoveling waste, and digging post holes for minimum wage seven days a week. The experience was transformative: for the first time he felt the 'glorious feeling of accomplishment' referenced in a letter Fred Koch wrote to his sons. Chase worked Koch summers from that point forward, eventually becoming president of Koch Fertilizer — a role he held for 9 months before walking into his boss's office and firing himself. His honest assessment: he was a builder and innovator, not an operator or optimizer, and someone with greater comparative advantage in that role would serve the business better. That self-dismissal directly led to the creation of Koch Disruptive Technologies and a more successful fertilizer business. Charles closes the chapter by noting that Chase's greatest gift — unlike Charles's own gift for abstraction — is an instinctive ability to connect with people, a trait he inherited from his mother and that drives Stand Together's partnership-building model.

Business
I Fired Myself — and the Business Thrived

Charles & Chase Koch on How They Quietly Built a $150B Empi… · May 12, 2026 Business

After 9 months as president of Koch Fertilizer, Chase Koch walked into his boss's office — his father — and resigned. He was a builder, not an optimizer. The fertilizer business got a better president and became one of Koch's most exciting units. Chase's departure led directly to the creation of Koch Disruptive Technologies. Knowing where you don't have comparative advantage is as valuable as knowing where you do.

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