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The growing movement to secede from Illinois and become the 51st state

Explore episode Jul 5, 2026

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Virgil Strader: 'Grab Your Gun'

At 24:20 · chapter starts 23:35

The episode's most alarming section opens with Owen's measured academic warning: the structural conditions for political violence in the US exist right now, and rebellions historically start not by plan but by spark. Then Virgil Strader removes all academic distance. Strader serves on New Illinois's transitional legislature, helping draft a constitution and write laws in preparation for a state that doesn't yet exist. In his day job, he's an auctioneer — and at a St. Patrick's Day benefit auction in Highland, Illinois, he told O'Neill exactly what he thinks happens if the legislature says no. 'Grab your gun.' He estimates a better than 50% chance of armed conflict. He fantasizes about surrounding the state capitol in Springfield with an armed group, forcing the split without firing a shot. He knows people with heavy arsenals who would join. A bill to split the state was introduced in the most recent session by legislator Brad Halbrook but died in committee. Halbrook plans to reintroduce it — and when pressed on violence, he invokes the Founding Fathers: they weren't worried about the law, they were worried about political will.

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