In 1974, as Wellington's assets collapsed and clients fled, Bogle gave a speech proposing the unthinkable: dissolve the management company, mutualize the funds, eliminate all fees above cost, and hand the profits back to investors. Nobody had asked for this. No regulator required it. It existed solely in Jack's head — and it got him fired.
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Determined to compete with Fidelity's go-go style, Bogle set about finding a partner to transform Wellington. Unable to hire star managers as employees, he found a small Boston firm of four young partners — Thorndike, Doran, Payne, and Lewis — who had worked with Jerry Tsai and raised a go-go fund called Ivest. Despite Wellington's $2 billion in AUM dwarfing Ivest's $17 million, Bogle offered the four partners 40% of Wellington Management Company — described at the time as a stunning price. Institutional Investor ran a cover story titled 'The Whiz Kids Take Over at Wellington.' Then the go-go era collapsed. The oil crises of 1972–74, stagflation, and a 50% market decline destroyed everything. The Ivest fund cratered 65% in a single year and was shut down entirely. Wellington Fund assets plummeted from $2 billion to $483 million — over three-quarters of assets gone. With four new partners drawing on 40% of the management company's collapsing revenues, the crisis was existential. Bogle began to question aloud whether it was ethical to continue charging fees from clients while incinerating their capital. This was, as the hosts put it, his 'Jerry Maguire moment.'
During the go-go bust of the early 1970s, the Wellington Fund's assets collapsed from $2 billion at the time of the Ivest merger down to $483 million — a loss of over three-quarters of assets.
SiteGPT attracted over 1 million visitors and $500K in total revenue without spending a cent on paid marketing. The secret: engineering as marketing — building free tools that rank on Google.
Bhanu quit his first job after just 8 months, moved back to his parents' house to cut costs, and started building. One product sold for $250K; the next hit $10K MRR in its first month.
90% of SiteGPT's Google search traffic comes not from the main product but from ~50 free tools Bhanu built. Each tool targets a low-competition keyword and funnels users back to the paid product.
50,000 monthly visitors become 200 leads, 60 trials, and roughly 15–24 new customers per month at ~$100 average revenue each. Add a $1,700–$1,800 LTV and you have a very healthy SaaS.
Start with a blank Ahrefs search, layer in keyword filters (include term, KD < 10, volume > 1,000), list candidates in Notion, design a CTA linking to your main product, then score by volume, difficulty, build effort, and product relevance. That's the whole playbook.
Marketing feels painful for most builders. Engineering as marketing flips the script: instead of writing cold emails or blog posts, you build things — and those things rank on Google forever.
Don't spend months perfecting before launch. Ship the core feature, get real users, and let their feedback dictate the product roadmap. Premature polish is a trap.
SiteGPT launched and hit $10,000 MRR within its first month. That momentum was so overwhelming that Bhanu sold his existing SaaS, Feather, for $250,000 to free up all his time.
PropGPT launched with 20 downloads a day and strong influencer marketing but hit a ceiling at $1,000–$2,000 MRR. High download numbers masked a critical flaw: almost nobody stuck around after the free trial ended.
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