During COVID lockdowns, some gyms required members to physically show up at a closed gym to cancel their membership. Richard Thaler's verdict: nobody designs that innocently — it is pure, strategic sludge.
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Thaler begins with what he calls 'inadvertent and/or incompetent sludge' — design failures like Norman doors, where the physical affordance of a door handle tells your brain to pull when you need to push. These aren't malicious, just thoughtless, and the architects responsible deserve 'a special place in hell.' He then pivots to the unsubscribe trap: where one click signs you up for a service but cancellation requires a phone call, a wait, and a sales pitch. That, Thaler says, is clearly intentional. He cites gyms during COVID that required members to physically enter a closed facility to cancel their membership — nobody designs that innocently. He notes he has personally tried to convince subscription companies to stop these practices, and been told bluntly that it would cost too much. Thaler's rough estimate: healthcare sludge alone costs the US hundreds of billions annually, though almost none of it is formally measured.
Nobody has a precise figure for the cost of healthcare sludge, but Richard Thaler puts it in the hundreds of billions per year for the US alone. The problem is that so much of it is consumed time — invisible on any balance sheet.
Richard Thaler estimated the sludge cost of the US medical system alone is in the hundreds of billions of dollars per year.
Sam built Algrow, a SaaS for finding viral content formats, with zero coding experience using ChatGPT and Cursor. Six months later: 10,000 users, $14K/month in revenue.
Sam's first MVP threw an application error on its very first user — and he shipped it anyway. The core idea worked, and that was enough to validate the product and keep users coming back.
Sam joined Discord voice chats, muted himself, and silently screen-shared his product. Users in the chat started tagging him asking what the tool was. No pitch needed — curiosity did the selling.
Most founders post links in Discord and immediately get banned for self-promotion. Sam's approach was the opposite: build rapport, help people with the tool, let word of mouth do the work.
Find where your ICP lives. Listen before building. Validate with DMs and Loom recordings. Build in public with users inside your own Discord server. Turn early adopters into advocates with free access.
Instead of fearing the self-promo ban in large Discord servers, create your own private server for your product. You funnel in ideal customers and build a relationship that email can't replicate.
Algrow helps creators find and replicate viral video formats, starting at $25/month. It analyzes subscriber counts, average views, and trending formats — and can even generate the videos with AI.
After weeks of Sam silently screen-sharing in a Discord server, the server owner — unprompted — made a full YouTube promotional video about Algrow. Sam paid nothing and asked for nothing.
Producer Gus admits Discord never crossed his mind as a customer acquisition channel. Pat connects the insight to a broader lesson: match your distribution channel to where your actual customers live.
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