Podbit · New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Relegation forces every club to compete fully, every season. Jason Kelce argues the concept would end NFL tanking overnight. Prince William loves the pitch — it's the system that lets a Leicester City shock the world.
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Travis poses the episode's most revealing question: what was Prince William's 'welcome to football' moment — the realisation that he was committed for the long haul? Most people expect the answer to involve a trophy or a great match. Instead, William describes relegation. When Aston Villa dropped from the Premier League to the Championship, instead of feeling deflated, he found himself more invested than ever. [1] — Prince William "Most fans' passion fades when their team gets relegated. For Prince William, it deepened. When Aston Villa dropped to the Championship, he …" 24:20 The midweek games, the higher volume of matches — approximately 40 per Championship season — and the grinding nature of the battle to get back up all deepened his connection to the club. The Europa League win he eventually witnessed was the culmination of that emotional journey: his generation of Aston Villa fans had gone since 1982 without a European trophy. Travis's reaction captures the moment perfectly: 'Prince William — the guy you want in the foxhole. They get relegated, he gets more into it.'
Most fans' passion fades when their team gets relegated. For Prince William, it deepened. When Aston Villa dropped to the Championship, he got more invested — watching every midweek game, living every result. The Europa League title was the payoff.
In the Championship (England's second division), clubs play approximately 40 matches per season, far more than in the Premier League.
Aston Villa won the European Cup in 1982, a month before Prince William was born. They had not won a European trophy again until recently.
Thomas's wife deferred her CrossFit career — she's in the global top 1% of athletes — to put him through law school debt-free. He wants her to chase the dream now; she wants the emergency fund and house down payment first. On a $200K lawyer income with no debt, the opportunity cost is just a few months of slower saving.
Underground calisthenics battles are exactly like UFC meets a rap battle — 150 people crowded around a circle, fighters walking out with masks and chains, nicknames like 'Extra Money' vs 'Calisthenics the Prince,' and people throwing money and betting. The battle set: 100 burpees, 50 muscle-ups, 75 dips, 75 squats with a 65-pound dumbbell. This is the next big spectator sport.
Rico Verhoeven controlled the undisputed heavyweight boxing champion for approximately 10 rounds — and had his appeal upheld when officials admitted the fight was stopped after the bell. The result was never overturned. Rogan calls it either incompetence or corruption, and argues the money behind Usyk made an upset politically inconvenient.
Rogan lays out a blunt case: boxing's 3-judge system is structurally broken, and the judges know who the promoter wants to win. Glory's 5-judge format is the right model. Corruption doesn't have to be conscious — just knowing Usyk is the cash cow is enough to tilt the scales.
With the Usyk-Wilder fight stalling and Fury-Joshua coming too late, the real fight the world wants is the rematch. Rico is a free agent. Usyk vacated his belts. The story is unfinished and both Rogan and Rico know it. His Excellency Turki Alasheikh already called for it ringside — the question is money.
Rico texted Jason Statham during the Canelo-Crawford fight. Statham showed Rico's highlight videos to promoters. Two days later, Rico was on a call about fighting Anthony Joshua. When Joshua pulled out, Rico pitched Usyk himself — Undisputed vs. Undisputed. Usyk said yes in two weeks. The whole thing started with one text.
Every heavyweight who faced Usyk tried to move to the right — straight into his power hand. Rico and Peter Fury identified the obvious solution: move left, away from the left hand, and smother him with size. It sounds simple. Nobody had done it. That one adjustment was the foundation of 10 dominant rounds.
MMA fans boo when fights go to the ground. They love stand-up. Kickboxing is pure stand-up. Yet it barely exists in America while boxing and MMA are enormous. Rogan's diagnosis: no promotion machine. If the UFC got behind kickboxing the way they've built MMA, it would explode. The talent is there — the storytelling machine is not.
A nation of 17 million people gave the world Ramon Deckers, Peter Aerts, Badr Hari, Melvin Manhoef, Rob Kamen, Ernesto Hoost, and Rico Verhoeven. Rico's theory: the country is so small that every gym shares knowledge freely. In the US, you need a flight. In Holland, you drive 40 minutes and spar the national champion.
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