Podbit · New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
No hedging. If England reaches the World Cup final, Prince William will be there — and he extended an invitation to Travis Kelce to join him, promising to write to Coach Andy Reid personally to get Travis out of training camp.
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Inspired by William's relegation story, Jason raises a pointed comparison to the NFL: American sports leagues have no relegation, which creates a perverse incentive for bad teams to lose intentionally in order to secure better draft picks. Relegation eliminates that — every game at every level has genuine stakes. [1] — Jason Kelce "Relegation forces every club to compete fully, every season. Jason Kelce argues the concept would end NFL tanking overnight. Prince William…" 26:02 William extends the argument: it's not just about punishing failure, it's about enabling dreams. The fact that any club in the English pyramid can theoretically reach the Premier League — given enough resources, luck, and talent — keeps the whole system alive with possibility. He cites Leicester City's improbable title win as the perfect illustration: a club most fans wrote off, celebrated by the entire nation when they won. 'There wasn't another football fan in the country that thought, good on Leicester, that was an amazing achievement,' William says.
Prince William cited Leicester City's shock Premier League title win as the perfect example of why relegation and promotion keep English football special — any club can theoretically reach the top.
Thomas's wife deferred her CrossFit career — she's in the global top 1% of athletes — to put him through law school debt-free. He wants her to chase the dream now; she wants the emergency fund and house down payment first. On a $200K lawyer income with no debt, the opportunity cost is just a few months of slower saving.
Underground calisthenics battles are exactly like UFC meets a rap battle — 150 people crowded around a circle, fighters walking out with masks and chains, nicknames like 'Extra Money' vs 'Calisthenics the Prince,' and people throwing money and betting. The battle set: 100 burpees, 50 muscle-ups, 75 dips, 75 squats with a 65-pound dumbbell. This is the next big spectator sport.
Rico Verhoeven controlled the undisputed heavyweight boxing champion for approximately 10 rounds — and had his appeal upheld when officials admitted the fight was stopped after the bell. The result was never overturned. Rogan calls it either incompetence or corruption, and argues the money behind Usyk made an upset politically inconvenient.
Rogan lays out a blunt case: boxing's 3-judge system is structurally broken, and the judges know who the promoter wants to win. Glory's 5-judge format is the right model. Corruption doesn't have to be conscious — just knowing Usyk is the cash cow is enough to tilt the scales.
With the Usyk-Wilder fight stalling and Fury-Joshua coming too late, the real fight the world wants is the rematch. Rico is a free agent. Usyk vacated his belts. The story is unfinished and both Rogan and Rico know it. His Excellency Turki Alasheikh already called for it ringside — the question is money.
Rico texted Jason Statham during the Canelo-Crawford fight. Statham showed Rico's highlight videos to promoters. Two days later, Rico was on a call about fighting Anthony Joshua. When Joshua pulled out, Rico pitched Usyk himself — Undisputed vs. Undisputed. Usyk said yes in two weeks. The whole thing started with one text.
Every heavyweight who faced Usyk tried to move to the right — straight into his power hand. Rico and Peter Fury identified the obvious solution: move left, away from the left hand, and smother him with size. It sounds simple. Nobody had done it. That one adjustment was the foundation of 10 dominant rounds.
MMA fans boo when fights go to the ground. They love stand-up. Kickboxing is pure stand-up. Yet it barely exists in America while boxing and MMA are enormous. Rogan's diagnosis: no promotion machine. If the UFC got behind kickboxing the way they've built MMA, it would explode. The talent is there — the storytelling machine is not.
A nation of 17 million people gave the world Ramon Deckers, Peter Aerts, Badr Hari, Melvin Manhoef, Rob Kamen, Ernesto Hoost, and Rico Verhoeven. Rico's theory: the country is so small that every gym shares knowledge freely. In the US, you need a flight. In Holland, you drive 40 minutes and spar the national champion.
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