Podbit · New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Trading Myles Garrett to the Rams is a bold win-now bet — and Jason Kelce thinks it works for both sides. LA gets the best defensive player in the league to pair with MVP Matthew Stafford; Cleveland nets Jared Verse plus three future draft picks and a franchise reset.
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Travis drops the bigger bombshell: Myles Garrett, the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, is headed to the Rams in exchange for Jared Verse and three future draft picks. Jason's verdict is that Cleveland wins on the future and LA wins on the present. The Rams' win-now logic is familiar — it's the same aggressive approach that earned them their last Super Bowl, cap consequences and all. Jason then makes a passionate case for Verse: his bull rush is potentially the best in the NFL (he put 6'9", 365 lb Jordan Mailata on his back), and 7.5 rookie sacks are just the starting point. Add a single finesse move and Jason sees double-digit sacks as the floor every year. Travis delivers the staggering stat: the Rams have made only two first-round picks since trading for Stafford — Verse and new rookie Ty Simpson. The segment closes with Jason and Travis joking about Aaron Donald potentially coming out of retirement to pair with Garrett on the same D-line, calling it outright cheating.
The Rams acquired Myles Garrett from the Browns in exchange for Jared Verse, a 2027 first-round pick, a 2029 second-round pick, and a 2029 third-round pick.
Jared Verse put Jordan Mailata — 6'9", 365 lbs — flat on his back. If he adds one finesse move to complement his bull rush, Jason Kelce says double-digit sacks every year is the floor. He's already one of the most dangerous young edge rushers in the NFL.
Jared Verse recorded 7.5 sacks in his 2024 rookie season and Jason Kelce believes he will easily reach double-digit sacks once he adds a finesse move.
Since trading for Matthew Stafford, the Rams have had just two first-round picks — one was Jared Verse, the other is 2025 rookie Ty Simpson.
Thomas's wife deferred her CrossFit career — she's in the global top 1% of athletes — to put him through law school debt-free. He wants her to chase the dream now; she wants the emergency fund and house down payment first. On a $200K lawyer income with no debt, the opportunity cost is just a few months of slower saving.
Underground calisthenics battles are exactly like UFC meets a rap battle — 150 people crowded around a circle, fighters walking out with masks and chains, nicknames like 'Extra Money' vs 'Calisthenics the Prince,' and people throwing money and betting. The battle set: 100 burpees, 50 muscle-ups, 75 dips, 75 squats with a 65-pound dumbbell. This is the next big spectator sport.
Rico Verhoeven controlled the undisputed heavyweight boxing champion for approximately 10 rounds — and had his appeal upheld when officials admitted the fight was stopped after the bell. The result was never overturned. Rogan calls it either incompetence or corruption, and argues the money behind Usyk made an upset politically inconvenient.
Rogan lays out a blunt case: boxing's 3-judge system is structurally broken, and the judges know who the promoter wants to win. Glory's 5-judge format is the right model. Corruption doesn't have to be conscious — just knowing Usyk is the cash cow is enough to tilt the scales.
With the Usyk-Wilder fight stalling and Fury-Joshua coming too late, the real fight the world wants is the rematch. Rico is a free agent. Usyk vacated his belts. The story is unfinished and both Rogan and Rico know it. His Excellency Turki Alasheikh already called for it ringside — the question is money.
Rico texted Jason Statham during the Canelo-Crawford fight. Statham showed Rico's highlight videos to promoters. Two days later, Rico was on a call about fighting Anthony Joshua. When Joshua pulled out, Rico pitched Usyk himself — Undisputed vs. Undisputed. Usyk said yes in two weeks. The whole thing started with one text.
Every heavyweight who faced Usyk tried to move to the right — straight into his power hand. Rico and Peter Fury identified the obvious solution: move left, away from the left hand, and smother him with size. It sounds simple. Nobody had done it. That one adjustment was the foundation of 10 dominant rounds.
MMA fans boo when fights go to the ground. They love stand-up. Kickboxing is pure stand-up. Yet it barely exists in America while boxing and MMA are enormous. Rogan's diagnosis: no promotion machine. If the UFC got behind kickboxing the way they've built MMA, it would explode. The talent is there — the storytelling machine is not.
A nation of 17 million people gave the world Ramon Deckers, Peter Aerts, Badr Hari, Melvin Manhoef, Rob Kamen, Ernesto Hoost, and Rico Verhoeven. Rico's theory: the country is so small that every gym shares knowledge freely. In the US, you need a flight. In Holland, you drive 40 minutes and spar the national champion.
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