Empire: World History

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374. Ken Burns on the American Revolution and Empire

Explore episode Jul 4, 2026

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Americans and Their Own History: Detached and Unreal

At 6:44 · chapter starts 4:55

Burns wastes no time: Americans are 'woefully ignorant' of their own Revolution, and their relationship to it is, as historian Maya Jasanoff states in the opening of his new film, 'detached and unreal.' The Washington-crossing-the-Delaware image is his exhibit A — nobody would stand upright in a boat during an ice-clogged snowstorm, yet this theatrical myth defines the national memory of the founding. The Revolution is 'encrusted with the barnacles of sentimentality and nostalgia,' Burns argues, focused on big ideas signed in Philadelphia, while the conflict actually began 15 months earlier in Lexington, Massachusetts, and would not formally end until the Treaty of Paris — whose semi-quincentennial falls in 2033. Jasanoff's second intervention is even more provocative: the United States is born in violence, and any account that skips that does a disservice to the full story.

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